From Fear to Freedom: Embracing the Spiritual Quest

Embark on a transformative journey as we delve into the path of spiritual enlightenment. In this episode, we explore the profound experiences and insights that guide individuals toward a deeper understanding of their true selves. Through engaging discussions and personal stories, we uncover the challenges and triumphs encountered along the way. Discover how questioning, rebellion, and self-discovery play pivotal roles in breaking free from societal norms and finding true contentment. Join us as we illuminate the path to spiritual awakening and inspire you to embark on your own journey.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Spiritual Journeys
• 1:51 The Influence of Osho
• 4:38 Understanding Osho's Teachings
• 6:27 Rebellion in Spirituality
• 10:06 The Concept of Satsang
• 15:31 The Role of Depression in Spiritual Growth
• 28:00 Exploring Leela: The Dance of the Divine
• 37:38 Breaking Down Limiting Beliefs
• 39:01 The Power of the Mind
• 40:20 The Rebel's Journey
• 42:51 Understanding the Mind's Limitations
• 46:32 The True State of Being
• 50:24 Exploring Karma
• 53:58 The Nature of Karma
• 1:00:11 Untying the Knots of Karma
• 1:06:50 Encouraging the Rebel Journey

Transcript

Sherisse Alexander (00:01.151)
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are when you're watching this. My name is Sherisse Alexander, your host of Your Collective. Today, I am joined by Yahoo Baba, and I'm super excited to have him on today's episode. We connected, oh, I don't know, maybe two or three weeks ago. We immediately hit it off, and the conversation was, well, I believe what I said to him is,

I come to this conversation with very little knowledge, so I ask all of our audience today to just come with the exact same type of excitement, an open mind to a potentially exhilarating experience. So Yahoo, I'm going to actually turn it over to you so you can tell us a little bit about who you are, your journey, how you got where you are, and then we'll go from there. So thank you and welcome.

Yaahoo Baba (00:56.888)
Hello everybody and today the amazing day because today is Enlightenment day of my master Osho. So what a beautiful coincidence that this podcast is happening this day. I have to talk about myself.

Sherisse Alexander (01:23.207)
Yeah, I would love for you to talk a little bit. I mean, because you have so much, you know, I've obviously chatted with you and read a little bit about you. So you have vast experience on really the spiritual, on your spiritual path. I don't want to steal your thunder. So just maybe a little bit about, you know, who you are, where you started on this journey, what you do. And then we can kind of go from there.

Yaahoo Baba (01:51.64)
So I was born in a very orthodox family, Brahmin family in India, where they do yoga and these things a lot. And from childhood I was doing yoga and searching truth. And then in my life, Osho came.

and he broke my all conditioning.

I became really search of truth that what I really am and what can really satisfy me. I just wanted contentment. I want contentment. Then I listened by Master Osho that he's saying only knowing who you are is the only satisfaction on this

You cannot be satisfied by any other thing in life. Whatever you will get, you will feel something is missing. And that day I realized, then I said, OK, so now I'm going to search who am I? And then I'm in search and doing yoga and meditation and.

I met my master. I'm sorry this talk is going to be little mysterious so I'm very sorry for that. And I met my master and every morning I was running for my exercise and meditation to good energy and my master says me if by running anybody can be enlightened

Sherisse Alexander (03:09.886)
Mm-hmm, that's fine.

Yaahoo Baba (03:32.216)
Then every horse could be became enlightened up to now. And that clicking me, uh-uh, it's not a technique. And then one day, realization happened to me.

Yaahoo Baba (03:49.496)
and after that I met Moji, one my other master. He is here in photo. And with him I learned things. Then I started to do satsang. Then the Sangha Bhan, Anatta Sangha Bhan. So this is my short story. It's so hard for me to tell my story. It's so hard for me. By talking and combat, just introduction of myself. There you are.

Sherisse Alexander (04:14.557)
I know.

Yaahoo Baba (04:18.21)
Follow me and study.

Sherisse Alexander (04:20.198)
No problem. I think, you know, when you talk about Osho, because I'd never heard of Osho until you and I had spoken. Maybe, you know, can you give us a little bit of background about who is Osho or what? Yeah, who is Osho?

Yaahoo Baba (04:38.798)
Osho is a very famous master in India for contradictions. He is so rebellious, very rebellious. His talk is very logical and very open. And he is not in any system like he is not Hindu, Muslim, Christian. He has no lineage. And he has talked on everybody.

So he's very vast opening mind and he's very open. I want to recommend to read him because I don't know how much people can find by him, but so many people can get so much opening in him, in his mind and his understanding. He's a real person, real. Yes. And he really opened me.

just by his talk.

Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (05:42.217)
Yeah, so with Osho, I think how you described him is he was, especially for the time that he would have been actively physical in this life, would have been pretty controversial, I think, from a bit of a spiritual or religious path, just because he wasn't singular.

Yaahoo Baba (05:59.095)
Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (06:02.51)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (06:07.684)
discipline, right? Not Hindu, not Sikh, not Christian, not any of these things. But you talk of how he really helped you open up and how he was able to be very logical, I suppose, in his approach, but also very open. So what about his teachings really, really resonated with you? Like, how did it open you up? Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (06:21.196)
Yes. Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (06:27.828)
Rebellion. The best thing I like how rebel he is because who is searching truth who is really in the path of spirituality. He has to be rebellion. He should not be obeying person. He's not learning thing as obey. Okay, morning I have to go to temple do this and this is then that person cannot be a rebellion for searching truth. One person has to be so rebellion.

The second chakra, horror. This will be so strong, fearlessness. And even the person who are in religion or spirituality, mostly people are in this track because of fear and they want something. So that's why people are going to temple and everywhere, but their fear is so much. Fear is moving to temples.

He said, first step is to drop your fear. And let's ask question. Clear. You need to be very rebellion, very logical. Nothing like that. Okay, I have to accept because it is said by book. No, you have to be your understanding. And that is his magic. And I found this so much in him. Because I was from a Hindu family doing yoga every day. Why you are doing? I don't know.

in temple, ideology, worshipping. Why you are doing? I don't know. So he said, you have to be responsible for all actions. Whatever you are doing, you don't know why I'm doing it. And I am doing it. It's not happening to me because of social structure. So this social block.

in our mind and system should be broken. That is the biggest thing. How to break this block or the shield. We are doing it unconsciously. let's be conscious, be aware about our all actions that I learned by Osho the most.

Sherisse Alexander (08:50.526)
So really effectively, it was almost like a freeing then of yourself, right? Because it's, as you talked about breaking down the fear. And so if we pose the question like why, and that was probably one of the biggest reasons why with myself and my own children, it.

speaking to your point about why you're doing something, right? So if we talk about going to temple or church or whatever, and I remember saying to the people in my experience at the time, like I just feel like as a child, a child should have a say in what, you know,

Yaahoo Baba (09:16.322)
Cheers.

Sherisse Alexander (09:28.412)
because in my view, faith and spirituality is a very, very personal experience. And so they should have a say or they should craft that experience for themselves. I'm talking from the perspective of a parent who is trying to instill some kind of faith or spirituality in their child's life. so growing up in whatever faith it is, it doesn't matter. But speaking to your point about

doing something and not knowing why you're doing it or having a bit of a disconnection from what you're doing and what the fundamental core reasons are that drive it. So really, I guess what you're saying is Osho freed you from the fear and opened up your experience. Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (10:06.764)
Yes. What I want to say here, my love, that whatever I have seen up to now, we were small, young, and we see God. Now we want God. We see our mom, dad, boyfriend, girlfriend. I want also relationship. FOMO. Same way we went and we know about Jesus. my God. FOMO.

So even in spirituality people are coming as a form. Or we have to be very calm, very peaceful. We have to be. Because it's cool.

This cool and formal, this is making us to run everywhere. Even in this specialty people are coming because it's look cool and it's great, it's good.

Sherisse Alexander (10:54.408)
So it's trendy. Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (10:59.136)
it all I'm doing meditation every day you know so cool and FOMO is forcing us unconsciously to do everything that's why even people are so spiritual but you can say this is they are doing out of FOMO and the biggest work I'm feeling in spirituality as a rebellion to be free from this FOMO

Sherisse Alexander (11:24.754)
Let's talk about that word you use, rebellion, just for a moment. Because when, and I understand what you're saying, my definition of to be a rebel or a black sheep is somebody who maybe has this curious nature, this questioning nature, like doesn't just take the status quo at face value, but can use critical thinking or critical feeling to like really question things. Like, okay, you're telling me this thing about,

this experience, be it spiritual or otherwise, and to me, and then to challenge those things, right? And to have, I guess, intellectual or spiritual discourse about whatever those ideas are. So what is your definition of rebellion? Mine's more about challenging what this status quo is.

Yaahoo Baba (12:12.162)
Even that rebellion, what we are talking, they are talking like something a theist or they, but they are not rebellion too because they believe. Like some person says, I believe God exists. They say, I believe God does not exist, but they both believe and believe cannot be a rebellion.

So even who look like very, they have their very own way of thinking.

They are not rebellion too, Rebellion means who is searching by himself.

and not being different also because nowadays some this is FOMO also we want to do something nowadays so many people are rebellion because they look different.

So attention, they get attention more by speaking something negative or something what people are saying so don't say this or people will get attention more. Left wings, right wings, they all are attention. They are not rebellion also because they are up to now want social attention. The biggest rebel, the real rebel is when person started to search himself. Beyond society.

Yaahoo Baba (13:43.776)
Even who are negative of society, they are attached to society. They are not going beyond it. And rebel means beyond. Beyond their mind. They are questioning everything. Even their mind too. That why I thinking like that.

Sherisse Alexander (14:05.384)
Okay.

Yaahoo Baba (14:06.356)
who are curious, for curiosity too.

Yaahoo Baba (14:12.716)
who are not broad minded, they are no minded. Broad mind is smaller, no minded.

The real rebel means who are just want to freedom from mind. I really want to know who am I. According to me, that are the only rebellion. Buddha is the only rebellion. Jesus is the only rebellion person. All this idea, different idea is not the rebel. When you want to be freedom from all ideas.

Sherisse Alexander (14:43.859)
Hmm.

Yaahoo Baba (14:54.026)
All ideas.

Sherisse Alexander (14:57.508)
is such an abstract thought. I understand what you're saying.

Yaahoo Baba (14:59.981)
Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (15:03.522)
Sorry, it's not a thought. It is a state. Yeah, it's a state. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (15:06.022)
Yeah, right. And that's why I'm saying I understand if it's not you can't define it because it's so much bigger than the definition. It's very, very abstract. I understand. Interestingly enough, I understand what you're saying. But I think that's a really good segue into OK, so how do we if we choose to how do we begin to enter into rebellion?

Yaahoo Baba (15:13.122)
Yes. Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (15:31.943)
Right? And rebellion is not, as you and I are defining it, rebellion is not what the traditional Oxford dictionary definition of rebellion would be. It is really freedom of all, freedom from all. It is like no limits. It is the known, the unknown, and the unknowable. So it's very right. Exactly.

Yaahoo Baba (15:40.482)
Yes.

Yes, yes.

Yaahoo Baba (15:50.648)
Thank you. Thank you.

Sherisse Alexander (15:53.083)
Okay, so I think this is a great segue into you've used some terminology here that I don't know that the audience would be familiar with, but let's start with satsang. What is satsang?

Yaahoo Baba (16:05.368)
Yes, courage, rebel. Satsang is a rebel. I don't know where today's talk is going to rebel a lot. Satsang is the place where we inquire everything, everything we inquire. And then ultimately we want to know who are we. And we just keep reflecting and inquiring each other.

Sherisse Alexander (16:07.774)
Hehehehehe

Yaahoo Baba (16:34.466)
Just keep it. It's the only rebel thing to do. Inquiry. Inquiry makes people the true rebellion. Questioning and all. You are a rebel. Yes. Yes, you are. You are a rebel. You are. This openness talk what you are doing is only a rebellion can do. And rebellion is a very beautiful word. Very beautiful word. It's not negative. It's not like I'm negative of anything.

Sherisse Alexander (16:42.206)
Rebel then.

Sherisse Alexander (16:55.486)
Mm.

Sherisse Alexander (17:03.368)
Mm-hmm.

Yaahoo Baba (17:04.258)
We are searching beyond and beyond the limit, the peak of human spectrum. Where is the peak? That we are searching. And that's what the whole universe is doing, expanding. Universe is expanding because universe want to know what is the peak of me. Same way, human want to know what is my peak. And whoever gets it, yes, I am that. That is the peak.

Sherisse Alexander (17:24.274)
Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (17:34.203)
I am that ultimate state.

Yaahoo Baba (17:39.214)
And that saying, arriving at that state, I call rebel. And this is the satsang where talk is happening for that only. When the only point is that let's not waste time anywhere else. Nothing is going to satisfy us. Humanity has tried from 10,000 years.

by being rich, by being educated, by being family, by kids, by fame, and nobody can say I am satisfied.

But whoever has done inquiry up to now, one person has not said, I'm sad that, my God, I became enlightened. my God, I'm really sad today. Jesus is saying, my God, I am son of father. I'm so sad. Nobody's saying talk like that. Everybody is happy and celebrating. So let's find.

Sherisse Alexander (18:17.854)
and I'm glad you.

Yaahoo Baba (18:44.99)
our ultimate happiness and Kali Kisatsana.

Sherisse Alexander (18:49.822)
I'm glad that you brought that up about, you know, I think sometimes there's this idea in humanity that there's something wrong with not being fulfilled by, and let's paint the picture, right? I was reading somebody's profile the other day and they were talking about, you know, getting married and having kids and having the house and the pets and the trips and the good money and then still not feeling satisfied. So literally burnt, burnt the boats.

burned down the house, figuratively, completely 180 to their life and started all over again with purpose and intention. the minute they did that, they were on the beginning of this journey towards rebellion. And because sometimes I think people are like, well, why can't I just be satisfied? That's the call of your soul to search.

Yaahoo Baba (19:29.826)
Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (19:36.067)
Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (19:42.53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (19:43.879)
to move towards rebellion, to find that saying because it's okay not, you're not meant to be satisfied, you're meant to challenge, you're meant to grow, you're meant to learn, you're meant to evolve, you're meant to do all of these things. So when we have the perception...

of we've got everything that we need and you're still not satisfied, that is the call on your soul to begin the search. So I'm saying that very clearly here so that whoever's listening, if you're feeling like that, it is a call on your soul to search. And search doesn't necessarily mean in more physical pleasures of life, but it can be included in that, but more of a soul fulfillment, the journey that your soul is looking for. And I think that's really what you're talking about and how we

come into set saying. Sure.

Yaahoo Baba (20:28.61)
I just want to, what you are saying, the same thing, I want to include something. There's a famous book of spirituality in India is Srimad Bhagavad, maybe I've heard the book name. Geeta, Srimad Bhagavad Geeta. And this book, the first chapter is depression yoga. There's so many yoga.

Sherisse Alexander (20:40.966)
Okay, say it again.

Sherisse Alexander (20:48.336)
Okay.

Yaahoo Baba (20:55.554)
But the first yoga is in this book, call depression yoga. in this, depression is a psychological problem.

Sherisse Alexander (20:59.388)
Depression Yoga.

Yaahoo Baba (21:05.816)
But in ease, depression is the first step of spirituality. There is a big difference.

Sherisse Alexander (21:10.376)
I love it. What a different perspective. love that. Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (21:13.346)
Yes, they say up to you have not depressed. So you are not intelligent. Only intelligent person can be depressed.

Sherisse Alexander (21:21.608)
Mm.

Yaahoo Baba (21:24.052)
If you are not intelligent, so you have hope that I will be happy by money or by car or by a good husband or good wife. You are in this wrong hope in East. We call when you became depressed, really depressed. Then you are intelligent.

Sherisse Alexander (21:41.906)
Yeah. So it's actually a good sign is what you're saying. If you're feeling depression in East America. Yeah. Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (21:45.078)
You see the best symptom if you are depressed and you are not satisfying by anything and you are not feeling good. Congratulations that you came on the right track. Only hope going on in world. Only hopes. And one time somebody see this, my God, I'm just having hopes and I'm not going anywhere. And then people feel depressed. And by this depression, people are finding path.

Sherisse Alexander (21:57.171)
Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (22:13.374)
Yes. And that's usually what you hear, right? Is people will hit rock bottom because they've gone through whatever and they're depressed. And I love that perspective on that. Cause again, it goes back to what I was saying, right? When you are depressed and we see it all the time, famous people, people who are perceptually all the things that you, and then they're depressed.

Yaahoo Baba (22:20.098)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (22:36.654)
the press.

Sherisse Alexander (22:36.73)
And it's most sad when the depression takes them from this physical life because they don't see another way out when really the journey is in. That's where the journey begins, right?

Yaahoo Baba (22:48.396)
Yes. So whenever my friends, whenever you see somebody frustrated, depressed, you say, congratulations, you are the right path. You human is human should be depressed first. Then you can really come at the part of searching truth in our inner this inner kingdom. That what Jesus is saying, Kingdom of God, not outer kingdom, money, fame or outer kingdom.

Sherisse Alexander (22:58.248)
Beautiful.

Sherisse Alexander (23:02.515)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (23:13.159)
Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (23:17.782)
inner kingdom, the kingdom of God.

Sherisse Alexander (23:20.102)
So in Eastern ideologies, depression is a good sign. It is viewed as, no, I'm asking you, I'm clarifying, I'm really clarifying here because it means, okay, now we can begin. That's what it signifies, now we can begin. Versus Western.

Yaahoo Baba (23:29.517)
Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (23:35.053)
Yes.

It means you really at the right spirituality. There are so fake spirituality also. Because somebody are doing meditation to be calm, so they can get rupees more or more. So they want to be relaxed, so they can make a big company. So actually their relaxation is for big anxiety. Let do a big anxiety, so for that we have to be relaxed. So their meditation can be wrong.

Sherisse Alexander (23:42.648)
Okay.

Yaahoo Baba (24:05.538)
That's why Gautam Buddha is saying Samyak Dhan. Samyak Dhan means right meditation. Meditation can be wrong also. Because some people can be just calm, so I can be personality-nice. So actually, up to now, the game of are going on that in world, how can I success in the world? How can I success in the world?

And when you really became depressed and you know nothing, even success of world is nothing and you really became depressed. When you have no path to go anywhere, that force which was going everywhere and not finding a path anywhere to go, then it go in. Otherwise, nobody want to go in. Nobody.

Even who is saying I want to go in, they want to go out there using power of going in to be successful.

That is the magic when you are really depressed and you have no hope from anywhere. Then only human can come at the right spiritual.

Sherisse Alexander (25:25.022)
That sounds like a lot.

Yaahoo Baba (25:27.058)
Yes. It looks so opposite when the mind is depressed in the right spirituality. And who is so happy? today I did meditation, I'm very happy. Before being in godly state, human cannot be happy anyway. Whatever he does.

Sherisse Alexander (25:51.677)
It makes sense. Yeah. Well, if you think about it from a very visual and a very physical symbolism type of idea, really what you're saying is the reason why, if I was to paraphrase what you said in ways that are relatable, the reason why you have to be in a state based on what you're saying, in a state of ultimate depression, zero hope.

Yaahoo Baba (25:51.81)
There's no other option. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (26:18.854)
is because you have to break down the foundation of what was in order to rebuild what can be effectively.

Yaahoo Baba (26:26.306)
Jesus Christ is saying.

person who is last can enter in the kingdom.

You have to be defeated in the world. You have to be failed in the world to be success in inner world. Never happened that somebody is outer success and enter in the and can be success in inner world. Not possible. This Jesus sentence is so deep. It's so deep. Jesus, every sentence are so deep. Again, I want to repeat it. The person who is in last.

will enter in the kingdom of God. We had to be defeated in world. We had to fail in the Then only we can succeed in our true state.

Sherisse Alexander (27:20.344)
As heavy as this particular topic is, it's such a new idea for how to view depression. I hope that, know, I mean, life is always going to give you circumstances that are extremely high vibe and then the ones that don't feel so good.

An interesting idea just to pivot away from this for a moment is can you tell me a little bit more about Leela? Because I think that if people have an idea of what Leela is, it allows you to maybe approach the experience of life with a very different lens and a very different perspective.

Yaahoo Baba (28:00.654)
Yes, I want to talk about Leela. Then when you put your mind shut and you started to see universe, how the universe is going on. Science want to know how the atom is working, how universe is working. A common human thinking, why it is happening? Why this world is like that? And you put aside it. And you know that I don't know. I don't know how things are happening here in the world.

When you put aside that whatever is happening is perfect. This little world is for the biggest relaxation state. When you see all is the game of the true state. The all is game of truth. Our ego hurts because we want to say God is dead. God does not exist. Only we are the first. We are the center of universe. Human ego is like that.

This whole world is made for us. Animal is made for us to eat. Sun is made for us to give light. We are so self-centered. If you see this humanity is so self-centered. Everything is happening for this. That up to now people cannot accept that sun is not rotating around the

Earth. Up to now, so many people cannot accept it. Because it will be like the Earth is so small, they don't want it. So when we put this ego aside, and we see this game of universe without trying to understand scientifically too, because we cannot understand it. Sorry, it's so vast. We are the part of this, a part cannot understand the whole. A wave of ocean cannot understand whole ocean.

Sherisse Alexander (29:54.024)
That's very true.

Yaahoo Baba (29:59.182)
Never ever.

So when we try, when we put aside, try to understand anything.

Sherisse Alexander (30:07.784)
Oof, that's a tall ask.

Yaahoo Baba (30:09.038)
and surrender that whatever is happening it is his game and that relaxes. We for ego look like I am a part, I am a robot that I am nothing, I don't have any value. Yes, you are not. Sorry. Truth is this. You are nothing. Human is nothing. You are just 50,000 years old species in this universe. are nothing.

And then when you feel this whole universe from heart, when you see this world as love and see everything is happening so beautifully and amazing is happening. Nihilism is saying everything is nonsense. When you put this nihilism aside also, science aside, nihilism aside.

Philosophy aside, and you just see this game of the universe. And you see, I don't know. I don't know why everything is happening. And that state I am calling Lila. Lila means game of God, the dance of God. It's all dance. Have you seen if you rotate like this hand, you put open hand and you rotate.

for one minute and you feel so much energy inside rotating. All universe is rotating from million years. How much joy in universe is going on? If we rotate only for one minute and we feel that much joy and earth is rotating and sun is rotating from years. All atoms are rotating.

everywhere joy is happening and when you realize it joy is going on the dance and celebration of universe is going on that i'm calling Lira and that opened really high understanding in human spectrum

Sherisse Alexander (32:26.728)
love that description of Leila when I was reading it. You know, what it did for me is it almost immediately shifted my perspective. You know, I didn't love the word game of the divine, but what I loved more appropriately was like the dance of the divine.

the drama of the divine, the joy of the divine and how it really asks you or calls on you to like understand that like nothing that's happening in the physical experience. Okay, yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (32:57.966)
I want to say game of the ego. You know why? Because it hurts ego. Our ego hurts. That we are a puppet. Yes, you are a puppet. Sorry. That our ego does not want to accept it. Down. So yes, I'm a part, I'm art of him. Feel good. And that's why this need to be punctured. Our ego need to be punctured. That's why I want to say again and again, yes, you are a game. It is a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. our ego.

Sherisse Alexander (33:06.27)
Hehehehehe

Sherisse Alexander (33:14.651)
Mm-hmm.

Sherisse Alexander (33:23.24)
Okay, it's a game. I can't deny the game. Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (33:27.404)
Yeah, it is a game. It's playing.

our heart that then then we are nothing so we are just like a small thing yes we are

Sherisse Alexander (33:37.597)
Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (33:41.262)
Let this human ego hurt. I'm sorry, in this whole universe, humans became so egoistic. Even Avatar, the movie, Avatar, we are going in other place to steal things from that place and ruin that place.

Sherisse Alexander (33:41.384)
So.

Sherisse Alexander (33:49.79)
Mm-hmm.

Yaahoo Baba (34:05.014)
It's showing that what human is thinking. Human think I'm a God. Farron, grave God. This ego became so strong in human system. It does not show us, but in our collective unconscious, we are so egoistic. We are searching God means what? We are comparing ourselves as God. That we are the God.

Nietzsche says God is dead, human is free. And has he seen it? It happened? No. Just he wrote. Ego. So I want to really want to say, no, you are a puppet. Yes, we are a puppet of God. Let our ego hurt and let broken it. Then we can see the love. If up to this human ego is not broken, we cannot see the truth of this universe.

That's we became scientists. That we will know Him. How egoistic we are. In this whole big universe, in this universe there is a galaxy. In this galaxy one solar system. One solar system there is an earth. Earth is a human who is just far from 50,000 years. Very small time span.

Sherisse Alexander (35:03.112)
So.

Yaahoo Baba (35:30.55)
and we will know who made this universe.

Yaahoo Baba (35:36.472)
This human ego is the biggest problem. Our human ego should be, our human identity should be broken. You have heard me saying humanity. No, humanity is a problem.

Yaahoo Baba (35:54.786)
We human not. It's the same ego. As we say, we American, we Indian, we say the same, we human, same ego. And if that is not broken, we will not see the real reality what is happening here. Sorry to talk like that. I'm very sorry.

Sherisse Alexander (36:14.014)
No, no, no, no, no, don't apologize. You know, you hear a lot of terminology or phrases around these days, death of the ego, you have to have an ego death. How does somebody actually begin the process of killing their ego or allowing their ego to die? How do you do that?

Yaahoo Baba (36:34.049)
People should watch podcasts like that more and more where people can be listen real. People have to talk and people have to listen and get open mind. Yes. The our our mind became so powerful and we have to really get this power back to in our heart. Our mind became so powerful. Mind became the owner.

So these podcasts will help him that heart is the owner, mind is a servant.

Sherisse Alexander (37:10.81)
a great point you know we've been talking a lot these last few episodes about the subconscious mind and how much of it is on autoplay right like in the in the what do call it is it the anyways how your subconscious mind controls like 90 % of what's going on and how important it is to be into we'll say on the perhaps more scientific side

the breaking down of the limiting beliefs ideas so on and so forth and that is really I think the beginning of death of the ego or Breaking down your perception of your self identity and who you are in this experience, right? So you can Begin to move into really witnessing Leela in your life, right and and then because sorry Yeah, yeah

Yaahoo Baba (37:58.894)
Yes, yes. So that's the center. Conscious mind, subconscious mind, unconscious mind, collective unconscious mind, cosmic unconscious mind. So mind is talking about mind a lot. Mind is understanding the mind that how mind is powerful. Wow! That's why...

all the psychological game of subconscious mind, unconscious mind going nowhere. Even the person who knows what is subconscious mind and unconscious mind going to go and see their life. They are the same problem, same problem they are going. Because understanding and getting knowledge about the subconscious and unconscious mind is not the freedom. Where the light is, darkness is searching about darkness.

We need a light where this darkness can be burned in a second. By knowing and opening the darkness about unconscious subconscious, we will arrive nowhere.

Walking in a darkness will not give us light. We need a little light.

Yaahoo Baba (39:10.36)
all minds sorted in one go.

It will never happen than somebody's understanding mind and can arrive somewhere in life, nowhere. More confused. Go to Jung, who is the greatest psychologist. If he heard about the world dying, he became fainted. Who is the biggest psychologist? It is the story of him. So where psychologists are arriving by knowing mind, where we are arriving, nowhere.

Yes, you have knowledge more and ego more that I know about.

Yaahoo Baba (39:49.92)
Life is changing nowhere. And nothing there some psychotherapist is saying, I am in the kingdom of God. I am not hurt. But Jesus said yes. And he was not a psychotherapist. He was a heart.

So we have to put the mastery back. Who are the real driver of life? Who is the real owner of life? Even this analysis.

is arriving no

Sherisse Alexander (40:20.528)
interesting idea because you know if you think about it and I'm coming at this from the perspective of you're on a search and I'm gonna actually relate it to myself right burn my life down I know there's something more that my net my life needs that what I thought was fulfilling

Yaahoo Baba (40:21.58)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (40:40.77)
I recognized was not any longer. And so I begin to go on the rebels journey, we'll call it, right? One of the inquiry seeking, searching, questioning, challenging what I thought.

what I come up against and continuing that over and over and over again. But then I would recognize at certain points, like there's still this block, like there's still this mental, there's this emotional attachment that as much as I want to release this emotional attachment to what was and what is and what will be coming, it was still there.

And the reason why I talk about the subconscious mind because I think I've been a lifetime seeker, a lifetime questioner is like feeling like I needed to have... Now, at this point, I don't feel like I need to have the answers to everything, but I felt like I needed to understand why.

there were these mental and emotional blocks that were preventing me from understanding these larger concepts that we're talking about, right? Such as Leela and really death of the ego and things like that. So I guess what you're saying is, is needing to understand conscious mind and subconscious mind is still somewhat limiting because no, yes, that is what you're saying. I needed to remember.

Yaahoo Baba (42:02.72)
It's Indian yeah, sorry

Sherisse Alexander (42:08.422)
Yeah, so to your point, needing to understand is still somewhat limiting and not necessary because you're still, there's still a limit to what you can know really in the vastness of all of it. Is that correct? Okay, yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (42:22.444)
Yes, yes, yes. Mind is a boundary. Mind is a boundary. Logic is a boundary. And we are a vast. So we have to understand every tool cannot work everywhere. Not. Mind is very good and money. Using laptop? Yes. Recording this? Very good. But mind is not good.

Sherisse Alexander (42:26.406)
Yes, well...

Sherisse Alexander (42:31.15)
Logic.

Sherisse Alexander (42:38.92)
Hmm.

Yaahoo Baba (42:51.214)
for our truth search. It's a wrong tool. It's a very good tool. Wrong tool. Where we are using it.

We have to understand for spiritual truth, mind is a nonsense instrument.

Sherisse Alexander (43:06.686)
So I pose a different thought then because it's part of the experience, right? So if we look at this in terms of connection and this is inquiry just so you know, this is all inquiry. Right now what you're doing guys, this is satsang. This is an absolute example of satsang. We are exchanging ideas. I'm inquiring. This is satsang. Okay, so you said mind is not the right tool. It has to come from the heart, but the mind

Yaahoo Baba (43:33.848)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (43:35.547)
Ideally, I would think or I have thought to this point that what I was trying to do is connect the mind, the heart, and the seed of the soul really in the journey of exploration, becoming a rebel, inquiry, because as you said, the mind is very, very powerful and we're only using, if you think about the conscious mind, we're only using 10 % of it. We don't even, so my point is that if we align those three,

Right? Mind, heart, and soul as part of the journey. Does that not create an even more powerful tool within you?

Yaahoo Baba (44:14.574)
According to me not. It's the last trick of mine that you need to be aligned with me. You need me. Say hello, hello, hello, hello. Hello, heart. I know you're very powerful, but you need me.

Sherisse Alexander (44:16.242)
Okay.

Sherisse Alexander (44:21.736)
Mm.

Sherisse Alexander (44:25.374)
Okay.

Yaahoo Baba (44:31.662)
Actually, for understanding, yes, but being in our true state, one thing I want to say here, I want to have this connection to the true state. When we connect to our partner, so you became wife or some person became husband or boyfriend and girlfriend, but when we connect to the truth,

Sherisse Alexander (44:41.19)
art.

Yaahoo Baba (45:01.23)
We don't become the knower of truth. Are we lover of truth? Not like that. We became that truth. Who knows the truth is truth. It is a very big thing. It's not that you are connecting to truth. As you connect to truth, you became truth. It is very different than other way of linking, connecting. Like you connect to the laptop. So you are not the laptop. You are separate. But as you connect to truth,

You are not separate. You are gone. You are vanished.

Yaahoo Baba (45:36.43)
You, you, as you, whatever you, we know us, I, I am this will vanish. Whatever you think I am is gone. It will burn everything. Our, ideas about us, whatever we know about us, whatever we feel about us, all gone. So their mind will not work in true state. When we are searching in truth, when we are searching what we are. So mind want to try, okay, let's be aligned with the heart.

These are, these are, this is called Western spirituality. Align so you can be more powerful, you can work more nice, aligning for that. But for truth, mind will not work. At the place heart will not work also. There will be time when heart is vanished too. Ultimate vanishing.

Sherisse Alexander (46:10.675)
Hmm.

Yaahoo Baba (46:32.12)
And that ultimate vanishing need does not need any support. It is support less. Support less of any logic. Support less from any emotion. Support less for any ego. We are support less that true state shine.

Yaahoo Baba (46:53.612)
Their mind is not needed and mind does not want to say it. Any maid does not say that I'm useless. No maid wants to say it. And mind is a maid. And it's always trying to tell I'm very important. I'm very important. I'm very important.

Yaahoo Baba (47:16.298)
In

Sherisse Alexander (47:20.158)
Hehehehehe

Sherisse Alexander (47:25.468)
Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (47:45.462)
in about the vastness.

Yaahoo Baba (47:50.434)
Mind will work as a personality in the world will work, but as a truth as in our search when we arrive at our home.

Yaahoo Baba (48:02.4)
zero. Neither conscious mind, subconscious, collective unconscious, cosmic unconscious, all mind vanished. Up to western psychology could not get what is cosmic unconscious. They have not gone there. They are up to now they have searched only collective unconscious. They don't know what is cosmic unconscious.

Sherisse Alexander (48:23.902)
Mm-hmm.

Sherisse Alexander (48:28.446)
Cosmic unconscious.

Yaahoo Baba (48:30.264)
Yes, it's only by Eastern psychology that they say there is a cosmic unconscious, not only connecting. And they say beyond the cosmic unconscious, I AM. How this mind, beyond this mind, I AM. They're saying, I AM what I AM will be I AM.

Yaahoo Baba (48:53.676)
and mind if you shut. Kadaf.

Sherisse Alexander (48:59.816)
Now, all of that to ultimately say, I understand where you're going with that, to get to where, okay, I don't wanna say to get, because it's not a destination, it's a beingness. There has to be the realization that the mind is very limiting, ultimately. And you're never going to arrive at that beingness, that state, somebody, without ultimately letting go of the idea that,

Yaahoo Baba (49:28.182)
Let me say one sentence only. me say. The best use of mind to know that mind is useless.

Sherisse Alexander (49:29.839)
Sure. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (49:38.654)
That's going to be a tough idea.

Sherisse Alexander (49:48.455)
I want to move away or pivot from that conversation for a moment because when you and I first met, know, there was this, I said to you, we started actually talking about karma and karma is a big one because there's so much information about there, out there and so many ideas around karma. So I guess what I would ask you is,

Yaahoo Baba (50:04.28)
Big.

Sherisse Alexander (50:14.3)
What is your understanding of karma that you can share with us today? Really, yeah, I guess that's the first question is, what is karma?

Yaahoo Baba (50:24.226)
Can we a separate podcast for that?

Sherisse Alexander (50:26.206)
See it's so big. I know it. We can. Here's the truth of the matter is we can do a separate podcast and I think we should because it's such a

Yaahoo Baba (50:30.286)
my god, this is beautiful.

But I want to a brief but Eastern understanding about Karma.

Sherisse Alexander (50:42.45)
Mm-hmm.

Yaahoo Baba (50:47.02)
This human body has five layers.

Can I talk little long? This talk is okay. This is from the Eastern spiritual wisdom. So first body is this, physical, then vital, then mental, then awareness, then joy and then the true state behind that.

So this is the five orbit of human and in the center, the true state is behind this. And when we leave this body, so according to our situation in the spiritual state, we leave orbits. Mostly people just try this physical body, they drop. But their vital body, mental body, conscious body, joy body is not dying.

when somebody is very alert in their vital system, so when they are dead, then they leave their physical body and vital body.

People like Buddha and Jesus, they leave all bodies when they die. Mostly people just leave their physical body. But all these four bodies are becoming one and searching a new body that we call reincarnation. Everybody is reincarnating. Same soul with the same mind, same collection of mind.

Yaahoo Baba (52:33.646)
That's our past life. We have lives and lives. So whatever we have collected in our mental body, we are keep going with this lives and lives and lives.

So the collection of mental body is called Karma.

We are just living physical body, vital body, physical body, vital body, but mental body and soul. This combination is rotating, roaming to find a new wound, to find a new life. And this journey will not stop up to we not knowing the all these five body and we are free from that. That we call Samadhi. The person who is free from this all five body is called Samadhi. Done.

Sherisse Alexander (53:27.442)
I just want to recap something you said. I want to recap one thing you said. You said like Buddha and Jesus when they died they actually left all five bodies. So they're done. They have reached Samadhi. Okay.

Yaahoo Baba (53:27.982)
I'll talk to you.

Mm.

Yaahoo Baba (53:41.368)
They are liberated. Buddha, Jesus, Krishna, whoever like that state. Osho, Mooji, I am quoting them also, So this mental body we are collecting.

Sherisse Alexander (53:46.642)
Yeah. Yes, yes.

Sherisse Alexander (53:53.404)
Yes.

Yaahoo Baba (53:58.558)
in conditioning we call it conditioning so we are putting conditioning in our mind and that blockages

Yaahoo Baba (54:10.446)
And that is keep going lives and lives and lives. And then so we have thus the biggest thing to understand the mind, the mental body. And when I'm saying mental body, I'm not talking about the unconscious and subconscious. Sorry, it's a very limited part of mind. Mind is big. Mind is the software of the universe. We think mind is very small. Human mind.

Sherisse Alexander (54:28.092)
I understand.

Yaahoo Baba (54:38.956)
And we have learned everything from animals. So we call it collective mind. What collective mind? What we have? We have knowing by the society and things. But where the animal has learned? From the universe.

very efficient one that I want to see the sea and you get the eyes this wish that mind when that's born that we call cosmic unconscious the mind the unconscious mind of this universe and we are one so it's not a small game karma is not a small game karma is a big game

And cleaning that is a really big aim.

Sherisse Alexander (55:36.614)
Yeah, and you hear so much about it. Hence the reason I ask the question, right? Because it's

Yaahoo Baba (55:41.634)
and then making knots in that, in vital body, in our mental body. We are putting knots. That's why they find... So what we are calling sin, that they are actually, they know people that by this action, knot are happening in our mental body. Like by stealing. We are calling stealing as a sin.

everybody like in everywhere stealing is a sin. So why this is sin? Because this is making a knot in our mental body. I am more important than anybody in the world. Steal it. I am more important. So they know the mind. So why stealing is very bad? Because you are the most important. Your happiness is the only important thing. So steal from anywhere that you should be happy.

But the truth is if the surrounding is not happy, you cannot be happy.

Yaahoo Baba (56:43.608)
So these are not that I am very important. That person only steal. Otherwise you can't steal. If other is important, how can you steal things? So look like all this in that, don't steal, don't steal. It's like a moral thing. No, spirituality is not a morality. Spirituality is a science of liberation, of freedom.

One who is stealing is making knots in himself. Self-obsession. Narcissist you are. Only Narcissist can steal something. So these making knots is called knots of Karma. And then you have to do the same thing again and again. Up to you have not seen these knots and you have not removed knots from your mental body.

Sherisse Alexander (57:36.658)
I heard an idea maybe a couple of weeks ago.

Yaahoo Baba (57:41.346)
I'm making sense down there. It's okay.

Sherisse Alexander (57:43.643)
It does make sense. It does. I understand what you're saying. You're not talking about karma from, I'm going to rephrase it back to you to make sure that I understood what you were saying very well. Karma is not necessarily from a morality sense, right? You used stealing as an example. Is it good or is it bad? But really if you look at karma from a spiritual level, it's the...

Yaahoo Baba (57:59.734)
Yes, ma'am.

Sherisse Alexander (58:09.37)
It's the energy or the feeling behind the thought or the action. So if we use stealing as an example, you're stealing from somebody, effectively doing damage to somebody. We're not talking about right or wrong. We're just saying damage of some sort. That then in turn creates a knot in your karma.

Yaahoo Baba (58:28.182)
Obstacles. Yes. Perfect. wow. You explain so well. Sorry, I mean, I am very bad in explanation. I mean, I'm from a very village, very village of India. You have no idea this from where I am. You don't know in my hometown up to now, nobody speak English up to now.

Sherisse Alexander (58:31.55)
So Andrew.

Sherisse Alexander (58:39.632)
No, I...

Sherisse Alexander (58:54.205)
Hmm.

Yaahoo Baba (58:54.382)
So, our state is the most illiterate state in India. So, India is already illiterate country and my state is the most illiterate state of India. And my hometown is the most illiterate hometown of my state.

Sherisse Alexander (59:06.504)
Yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (59:19.916)
So for me speaking in English and explaining is so hard. But I'm so lucky that you are understanding so nicely. really lucky.

Sherisse Alexander (59:31.391)
I'm just a trans well, you know because what we're talking about really requires it's like I said, it's very abstract thought It's very abstract because as you so rightly said Throughout, you know our time here today is that the mind can be very limiting

So it's very difficult or can be very difficult to try and explain things, like especially abstract ideas using language and language because language itself is so limiting and it also requires the mind to comprehend the concept that you are trying to share. So I'm here to try and make it relatable and digestible. You're welcome.

Yaahoo Baba (01:00:02.222)
Thank

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Thank you so much.

Sherisse Alexander (01:00:15.998)
I wanted to just, we're not going to do a whole chat about karma right now because, yes please.

Yaahoo Baba (01:00:19.534)
Let me say one thing. So, the karma we make knots. So we have to know and learn how to untie the knots of mind. And that is called meditation. When we are untying again back all knots.

Sherisse Alexander (01:00:33.287)
Okay.

Sherisse Alexander (01:00:42.206)
It's such an expanded conversation because you know where I was going with this because myself so because like I said There's so many ideas out there about karma and what I was pulling up was like some of the ideas that I've come across Which is it's about instant punishment, you know, I do something bad bad and it comes back to me like right away Right

Yaahoo Baba (01:01:02.702)
If instant punishment is happening then you are very lucky. Then really universe is very compassionate with you. And you are very new sinner. If instant is happening it means it's not expanding in your mind. You did something wrong and when punishment happens you are free. Done.

Sherisse Alexander (01:01:08.019)
Yeah.

Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (01:01:24.84)
That's beautiful, right? And I understand why you're saying you're really lucky because then it's, yeah.

Yaahoo Baba (01:01:25.964)
is beautiful. If you really like somebody and somebody doing wrong, you go and tell him, hey, just stop it. Don't do it. But if somebody doing wrong and you are not saying it, what does it mean? OK, do more. Then you understand. I mean, the real painful process. So instant punishment is the best thing.

That existence is really caring you. Right now. Free from now.

All thermals are more painful.

Sherisse Alexander (01:02:02.416)
Yeah, and that leads into the next question, right? And I promise we're not gonna talk all about karma right now because this will be like a three hour podcast. But I promise only like two more questions and then we'll leave it and or maybe one and then we'll leave it and we'll do a whole separate episode around karma because it's like such a big, it's such a big concept.

Yaahoo Baba (01:02:09.696)
It'll be very, very long time.

Sherisse Alexander (01:02:25.992)
But what you were saying is, said, okay, so some ideas are that if you do something in this life and there's instant correction, then that's actually a blessing and it's a gift because the universe is really showing you compassion.

Yaahoo Baba (01:02:45.272)
Yes. And you are a sinner. You are not an over-sinner. Yes. You are not proving yourself. You say, OK, I training him far. But somebody is collecting a lot. OK, then I will collect more. Then I will teach him properly. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (01:02:45.374)
But usually...

Sherisse Alexander (01:02:52.326)
Okay, I see what you're saying. So there's groups because you're new.

Sherisse Alexander (01:03:04.218)
So it's like you're getting grace and compassion because you're new to this life, like to life in a soul level. So we're gonna teach you really quick so you start to understand this. But if you're an old soul, there's no such grace or compassion.

Yaahoo Baba (01:03:23.694)
There is compassion but their compassion will take time to open. We need to work a lot to clean it.

Sherisse Alexander (01:03:29.406)
Right. So that then is when you get because then there's the idea of, yes, please.

Yaahoo Baba (01:03:34.618)
Can I say one thing? In Indian history, we have five types of sins.

Sherisse Alexander (01:03:40.806)
It's okay.

Yaahoo Baba (01:03:42.574)
Yes, and the fifth, the fifth is hurting anyone hard. They say this is the biggest, the biggest sin, all sin. They'll cut a big list.

Sherisse Alexander (01:03:53.286)
What are the five levels? You said five levels of sin.

Yaahoo Baba (01:03:59.182)
Yeah, it's a long time. Again, but the first is like you are stealing something. This thing is small. Then eating non-veg in that this is all small. And then it's going up. Then you are doing some spiritual leadership without knowledge. Then it's a big sin. It's a big sin. But you don't know the spiritual knowledge, but you try to do something.

Sherisse Alexander (01:04:01.139)
Okay.

Sherisse Alexander (01:04:20.382)
Mm, okay.

Sherisse Alexander (01:04:26.686)
Mm.

Yaahoo Baba (01:04:27.054)
It's a big sin because you are going to wrong lead so many people who are searching to so this so this way is going and the last they are saying hurting somebody's heart. Just breaking the trust of someone is the because you are telling the whole universe that there can be a.

People can be people have to be fearful when you are doing something just wrong now. So we give a signal to whole humanity that be aware, fearful. So breaking the trust is the biggest sin.

According to that level. So that if you are making not trusting, they say, OK, I will take care of you. Like I said, you come to India, I will take care of you. And you came here and are not here. This is the biggest thing. Trust don't break that trust because humanity came here to growing in the spirituality because of trusting each other. Trust.

Yaahoo Baba (01:05:41.518)
So that this sin is not.

Yaahoo Baba (01:05:47.554)
Save. Okay, sorry. Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (01:05:49.682)
No, that's okay. just...

No, no, no, no, no, there's nothing for you to apologize for nothing at all. I just want to honor what I said because I do want to talk about more. I do want to really dive into karma. In fact, I said it to you the first time that we met. We won't do it here. I think what we'll do is I will I will I will ask you to join us again so that we can have a really expanded conversation about karma because I think that there's something because I think that

based on what you're saying, because I really want to dive into like the levels and understanding how, you know, new souls, old souls, how you can cleanse your karma, like how you can be very intentional about freeing yourself from past karma to affect future lives or even current karma that you've built in this lifetime for future lives and so on and so forth, right? So just in closing,

Yaahoo Baba (01:06:44.056)
Yes. Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (01:06:50.576)
What would be one really juicy nugget that you can share with the audience about this beautiful journey of a rebel and how we can play with Leila and really just enjoy the game. Figure like how do you step into that's the question I guess I would want to close with is how do we really encourage people to start the rebel journey and enjoy the game of Leila.

Yaahoo Baba (01:07:16.91)
First thing I want to say

that be intelligent. The only thing we need, we need to inquire everything, question everything, question everything. God also, God exists or not. This question and really rupees, money is making me happy. This question too, that what I am doing now, right now in the life, it can give me really happiness. Maybe I going in the right path of happiness. Really I am going this questioning.

So we cannot waste time at the wrong path. We are not asking questions that the life is passing and passing and we are not becoming aware. Question about everything.

First thing I want to say is thing. And second thing I want to say is understand the tinyhood of mind. I don't want to small. Small is too big. Micro state of the mind. Mind is so small. Mind is so small. Heart is so big. Our consciousness is much, much, much, much, much higher and bigger than our logical mind.

logical mind is a very small tool as a laptop. Enough. Don't give him so much respect. Over-respect is not good. We are respecting our mind so much. Let's respect our real thing, our heart and consciousness. Let's respect that more. Let's respect our inquiry more, our questioning more.

Yaahoo Baba (01:09:00.824)
then our mind and logic and understanding is not an understanding. We are putting so much energy on understanding also. All this understand. No, you cannot understand. It's un-understandable. Our understanding of mind is so small. If we can remember it, first it will hurt a lot to ego, but slowly, we'll open more space.

Sherisse Alexander (01:09:35.358)
Thank you. Thank you so much for joining.

Sherisse Alexander (01:09:51.838)
Where's that sign?

Yaahoo Baba (01:09:53.484)
Yes, let's listen more and talk about more. Because whatever we listen, it goes in our heart. Let's do it.

Yaahoo Baba (01:10:06.252)
You know how much hype of relationship is made by Hollywood, Bollywood movies that only boyfriend, girlfriend love is the best thing of life. thing only thing you can do get a partner is this all hype is made by movies. By the podcast like this podcast, let's make a hype value of searching truth.

Thank you, you are doing well. Thank you, you are doing well.

Sherisse Alexander (01:10:36.062)
I love it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. And as I said, we will definitely invite you back, because I wanna dive more into the talk about karma, and we will dedicate a whole episode to talking about karma. Yes, we will. Thank you, Yahoo, thank you for joining me today. Thank you.

Yaahoo Baba (01:10:51.66)
yet. It's a really long process. Yes, let's do it.

Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Sherisse Alexander (01:11:04.734)
To the audience, thank you so much for joining us today. I hope you enjoyed the conversation and the discourse that myself and Yahoo had engaged in regarding Lila, Satsang, a little bit of karma, Osho, and that you learned something here today because all of this was very, very new to me, but super.

interesting and exciting. So I own that I am a rebel and I will always ask questions and I hope that today's episode invites you to do the same. So thank you again so much for joining us today and take care of yourselves.