Unlocking Your Spiritual Gifts with Kelle Sparta

In this episode, we explore the profound journey of spiritual awakening and its impact on personal growth. Discover the signs of awakening, the challenges encountered, and the transformative power of embracing spirituality. Through inspiring stories and expert insights, learn how to unlock your true potential and live a more authentic life.

Take Aways

• Kelly Sparta is a transformational shaman and energy healer.
• The journey of spiritual awakening can be daunting but rewarding.
• Personal growth and spiritual growth must go hand in hand.
• Finding safety in mental, emotional, and energetic aspects is crucial.
• Many people have spiritual gifts but may not know how to harness them.
• There are various categories of spiritual gifts, including messengers and empaths.
• Protection is essential when exploring spiritual abilities.
• Trusting your intuition is key to navigating your spiritual path.
• The podcast serves as a guide for those on their spiritual journey.
• Spiritual growth is a spiral process, revisiting lessons at deeper levels.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Spiritual Awakening
• 2:56 Kelle's Journey and Early Experiences
• 5:18 Understanding the 100,000 and Their Mission
• 8:15 The Path to Personal and Spiritual Growth
• 11:02 Navigating the Journey: Personal Growth vs. Spiritual Growth
• 13:39 The Role of Protection in Spiritual Development
• 16:33 Exploring Spiritual Gifts and Their Categories
• 19:18 Developing Your Spiritual Aptitude
• 22:05 Playing in the Astral: Safe Exploration
• 28:14 Connecting with Your Guides
• 31:46 Recognizing Patterns and Messages
• 34:45 Trusting the Guidance of Your Spirit Guides
• 37:05 The Role of Manifestation in Life Changes
• 41:45 Finding the Right Spiritual Teacher
• 48:13 Understanding Nonlinear Experiences and Spiritual Guides
• 49:36 Navigating the Engineer's Mind in Spirituality
• 51:59 The Power of Intuition Over Logic
• 55:44 The Importance of Asking 'What Else is Possible?'
• 56:47 The Purpose and Impact of Kelle's Podcast
• 1:03:16 Initiation and the Unseen Journey of Spiritual Growth
• 1:05:16 Stages of Spiritual Evolution and Their Cycles
• 1:06:13 The Value of Mentorship in Spiritual Development

Transcript

Sherisse Alexander (00:01)
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you might be when you are joining us. My name is Sherisse Alexander, your host of Your Collective. On today's episode, I am joined by Kelle Sparta, who is also known as the Spirit Doctor. Kelle is a transformational shaman, energy healer, and spiritual catalyst who helps high performance individuals break through emotional blocks and assisting them in aligning with their soul's purpose.

I never love to like steal people's thunder of how they really want to introduce themselves. So that's all that I'm going to say. I'm going to turn it over to Kelle so she can share more about who she is and how she got to where she is. And we'll dive into today's episode a little bit more. And actually before we dive in, what I'll tell you about today's episode is that the idea for today is to help those out there who

might realize that they have some spiritual gifts and they're not entirely sure what to do with it. Or maybe you had an awareness of your spiritual gifts and they scared you so you turned them off. so Kelle is going to talk to us a little bit more about what to do if you want to really tap in to what those gifts are and where to go from there. So without further delay, Kelle, please tell us all about you.

Kelle Sparta (01:18)
Well, thanks for having me on the call, Sherisse So I'd like to think of myself as the person who combines all of the different silos of your spiritual education. So there's Reiki over here, and there's wellness over here, and there's acupuncture over here, and Chinese medicine, and there's so many different silos, and they all use different languages, right? And so one of the benefits is

that I started this journey very, very early in life. And so you were talking about my mom, or you were talking about what was effectively my mom, right? So you said people who had their gifts and they got scared of them and they shut them down. So my mom was that person. And so when she saw me talking to ghosts in my crib when I was like six, eight months old, she was like.

Okay, we gotta get her trained up because I don't want her to have to go through what I went through, which was she turned them off and then she could never figure out how to turn them back on again. And so she was like, nope, nope, we're gonna make this normal for her. We're gonna make it easy. We're gonna make it go. So from the time I was like five years old, she was bringing home Seth and Ram Dass and Abraham Hicks and JC Knight and we were doing self hypnosis classes. I could do it by myself by the time I was 10.

I could read tarot cards by the time I was 12. We were doing psychic development classes like mad. It was just wild. And so my entire childhood was doing this whole process. And as a result, it's in my bones in a way that it isn't normally for people, right? And it's so funny because people ask me, they were like, when did you start doing coaching? And I was like, ha ha, whew.

have high school yearbook test signatures that read like client testimonials, right? And so it's not what I do, it's who I am. so it's been a long, long journey. I'm 55 now, so I've been studying for 50 years. It's a long time. And a lot of what I do, I'm actually, right now I'm really focused on working with the 100,000 people who are here to up level the planet.

Sherisse Alexander (03:00)
Thank

Kelle Sparta (03:19)
to help them step into their wisdom and their power and their purpose, and to help them develop the skills that they need in order to make that happen. So whether that's additional spiritual skills or doing more personal growth work so that they can step out of that wounded healer dynamic, or doing additional business skills or facilitation skills, right, energetic skills. And so I work with them on all of it.

because it is a holistic process to be able to step into that power and purpose and complete your mission on the planet. so people often ask me, they're like, how do you know if you're in the 100,000? It's like, oh, here's the thing, right? If you had your spiritual awakening and you woke up and you went, oh my God, I've got this huge mission, it's massive. I don't know what it is, I don't know what I'm doing, and I don't know what I need to do to prepare for it, but I know one thing.

Sherisse Alexander (03:44)
Hmm.

Kelle Sparta (04:13)
I'm late. If that was your experience of your awakening, congratulations, you're one of the 100,000.

Sherisse Alexander (04:20)
one of the hundred thousand I'm owning it. I have to ask where did the number one because I'd heard I think I told you I heard someone had said they missed a zero they'd said it was ten thousand where did the hundred thousand come from? Okay.

Kelle Sparta (04:21)
Yes.

straight from Spirit, and I'm

not the only person who's gotten that number. I know several people who also independently got that number and have that awareness as well. Spirit just looked at me and said, there are 100,000 of you on the planet. It's your job to bring them together and trade them up. And I was like, OK, nothing like a small mission. Thanks for that. Yeah, I got it.

Sherisse Alexander (04:52)
So you have this moment and first, I just feel like we gotta like give accolades to your mom. I'm sure you've done it, but there are so many parents that would just be like, no, I'm terrified and I don't want her to have that life. not gonna foster this, but to like really open the space and hold the space to allow you to like really be a child. And because let's face it, kids are super creative and you need a lot of that kind of energy.

Kelle Sparta (04:58)
Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (05:18)
in this work. And so for her to be like, no, I'm going to support her through this. thank you, mom of Kelle, because what a beautiful, beautiful thing for her to help you with and grow through. So great. You have the moment where you're like, I have a huge mission. I have no clue what it is. That's literally what I said to myself. I have a huge mission. have no idea what it is. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't know, but I know. And I remember saying, you know, maybe 10, 15 years ago,

I know that this walk in this life is one of a spiritual nature. Somebody actually said everybody is as a spiritual nature. It's just whether or not you choose to do it in co-creation or not. So now what? I have this mission. What's next?

Kelle Sparta (06:00)
Yeah, and that's the question, right? That's what everybody comes to is that, like, what's next? What do I do? And the short answer is that it's going to vary slightly by person, right? But there is a general pathway, right? So you have to do your personal growth work along with your spiritual growth work, or else one will limit the other.

So if you don't do your spiritual growth with your personal growth, then you're going to run into an energetic that is locked in that you can't get to move no matter how much personal growth work you do. If you do your spiritual growth work without doing your personal growth work, you will come upon a limiting belief that will keep you from being able to step into your full power because you aren't addressing your personal growth work. And so they have to go hand in hand. And so there are two stages to the personal growth work that are crucial.

The first one is finding mental, emotional, and energetic safety. Actually, three stages. But mental, emotional, and energetic safety is step one, because that's where you step out of the monkey mind and the inner critic and all of the yammer, yammer, yammer that's going on in your head so that you can actually create the bandwidth to change. Until you can feel safe, you will not change. Without safety, there is no transformation, period. So step two.

Sherisse Alexander (07:15)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (07:17)
is to claim your space, set your boundaries, own your power, internalize your sense of value, and learn how to love yourself. That is solidifying your energetic container. And so when you solidify your energetic container, you also solidify your identity. So you're clear about who you are, what you want in the world, what's going on, what's the difference between you and somebody else, which for so many empaths is impossible.

Sherisse Alexander (07:27)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (07:43)
where do you end and other people begin and that sort of thing. The ability to manage your own energy field and take care of yourself and really know your own value and worth in the world and give yourself permission to have your power. And treat yourself as the beloved in your own space. Because if you don't do those things, then you don't have a solid enough container to hold what people want to go straight to, which is the shadow work.

Sherisse Alexander (08:08)
Hmm.

Kelle Sparta (08:09)
and you're not ready for shadow work. You know, a lot of people do because...

Sherisse Alexander (08:09)
People actually want to go straight to that. I'm sorry. People actually, people are like, let's sign me up for it.

Kelle Sparta (08:15)
Yeah, they hear that

that's what they're supposed to do and they want to go straight for that. like, you're not ready for shadow work yet. You need to get ready for shadow work. And so once you have a solid container to hold the shadow work in, then you enter stage three, which is stepping into sovereignty, right? And sovereignty has a path as well. It requires you to learn lots of different areas of self-inquiry. It requires you to map out your inner.

world so that you can now be sovereign over yourself and your own journey. And so those are the combined energetic and personal growth paths. You do work with your energy during the process. You do work with the law of manifestation during the process. You do a lot of elemental stuff, learning how to do basic spiritual skills. So you know.

managing your energy, protecting yourself, protecting your space, talking to your guides, basic divination, how do do manifestations, some ritual skills, some connecting with the elements, being able to do some creation energetics, right? There's all sorts of things on an energetic level that you learn during that process, right? Because you need to have a solid foundation in understanding how the energetic world works because

You're walking into an entirely new world. It's like moving to another planet, right? You don't know how anything operates. You don't know where anything is. You don't know who anybody is. You don't know how to discern whether they're good people or bad people. You're walking into a whole new world with a completely different language, and you're trying to figure out how to navigate it. You need to learn how to do that if you hope to be able to step fully into utilizing that world.

to fulfill your mission. And so that's the three steps to getting ready to fulfill your mission. And then you start to learn the skills that are necessary to actually fulfill your mission. And so that will vary dramatically from person to person, depending upon what the mission is.

Sherisse Alexander (10:20)
Okay, so that was a lot. And yeah, because you just made it sound like a breeze and

Kelle Sparta (10:23)
Yeah. Can you tell I've been doing this a long time? Yeah.

I can walk people

through it in about two years.

Sherisse Alexander (10:36)
So which, and I'm thank you for that because that begs the next question. So you wake up or you're awakening and you have this sense of there's something I need to do and I'm late and they meander down this road because, you know, for myself, it's like this intentional journey began seven years ago and it was like, I don't know where to go. I don't know what to do. I don't know who to talk to. So it was really much.

Test and fail, test and fail. Okay, that works, try that and so on and so forth. So to cut down on that time, and I don't even think that you can answer this question because you're talking about two things that you're working on in parallel. There's the personal growth and then there's the spiritual growth that go hand in hand. If somebody doesn't have someone like you, well, let's just say they have someone like you. Generally speaking, because I know that for me, it's like a sense of I gotta catch up.

because I got so much stuff to do. How do I catch up on all this stuff that I'm supposed to learn? What does that look like? You said you can walk somebody through the journey in two years. How?

Kelle Sparta (11:37)
Yes.

So all right, so here's the thing, right? And you were going to ask what happens if you don't have somebody. So I grew up in this. And I've been doing this for my whole life. And I started doing my hardcore spiritual journey when I was about 28. And that was 28 years ago now, right? And so it took me about 20 years, maybe a little more.

Sherisse Alexander (11:45)
Yeah, that too.

Okay.

Kelle Sparta (12:02)
probably a little more actually, because I started doing the journey hardcore in 28, but I started, but I knew stuff from before that, right? So if you took the amount of time that it took me to get that, if somebody was hardcore starting from scratch, it would probably take another five years there, right? So I figure it's about 25 years of effort it took me to find all this stuff, because the challenge isn't the work itself. The challenge is figuring out what you need, and then who has the thing that's gonna work, and then doing the work.

Sherisse Alexander (12:09)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Kelle Sparta (12:31)
And 98 % of the time is spent doing those first two pieces. And so what I did was every time I did this journey for myself, and every time I found an answer, I would write it down. And over the course of 25 years, I had this entire journey mapped out. And so what I've done is I've just taken out the empty space in between. And that's why I can do it in two years is because 98 % of the time is spent trying to figure it out what it was.

Sherisse Alexander (12:31)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (12:57)
who has the thing that will work, right? And so I just took that and compressed it all into a journey. Now I have made it as fast as humanly possible. Trust me, I've tried going faster. We can't do it. Okay, it blows people up if you try and go faster. So we don't do that, right? But over the last seven, eight years, I have been sharing this journey with people and they are making quantum leaps forward in their lives. And it is...

a highly successful and highly powerful container, which only grows more powerful every single year because the energy of the program has built its own gestalt. So gestalt is the energy of movement through an energetic space.

any sort of process has its own gestalt. It's like you're just building the energetic of the process, right? So the more people you run through the program, the stronger the gestalt becomes, and therefore the more amplified the field becomes when you step into it. And so people who went through the program in the beginning did not go as far as fast as the people who are coming in now, even though it's the same program. And that's because once you step in, you're like engaging the energetic and just whoompf.

Sherisse Alexander (14:03)
win.

Kelle Sparta (14:08)
off you go to the races, right? And so it's not as hard to do the work because you have the support of the energetic that's working with you through the process of all the people who've been successful before, right? Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (14:21)
Yeah. Okay.

So they come to you, they go through the process. It's still so I'm assuming them through that process. There, if you still aren't fully clear on what your mission is, then it will be clear by the time you are done that process. Right? Okay.

Kelle Sparta (14:41)
Yeah, so what I tell

people is that your mission, your purpose is the fullest expression of your authentic self. And so when you come into sovereignty, you are at the fullest expression of your authentic self. And so your purpose becomes evident, right? Yeah. You step into a space of being willing to go where the universe takes you and you have learned to surrender to.

Sherisse Alexander (14:55)
Okay. And whatever that looks like. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Kelle Sparta (15:07)
allow the universe to navigate and there's a whole process that you go through. And I know that you're like, I don't want to surrender, no surrender, right? It's okay, you'll get there, it's fine. I told my guides to screw off for the first five years of my process, so I understand.

Sherisse Alexander (15:21)
Somehow

I just heard and saw you doing an actual temper tantrum as an adult. Just leave me alone.

Kelle Sparta (15:27)
Yes. Yes. Pretty much. Yes. No, I'm not doing that. I don't know

why you're telling me that I'm not doing it. I'm darned my own life.

Sherisse Alexander (15:38)
You can't make me.

Kelle Sparta (15:40)
You can't make me. Yeah. Which, by

the way, I had a conversation today with a friend of mine who was looking at my guides from the outside. And she said that she had taken them to task because they got lazy. And because I told them to go away so much, she said there's a whole group of my guides that just have been like, fine. We went away. It's fine. And she was like, no. Taking them to task. Get your butt back in here and get to work. Right?

So be careful how often you tell your guides to screw off, right? Because they might listen and get lazy. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (16:08)
Because they actually might listen. Yeah, that's

that whole, be careful what you wish for. Okay, so I know I was listening to one of your podcasts. I don't know how recent it was. But it was one of these episodes where you're talking to someone about like, all the very like all the gifts. And I actually thought the gifts were literally like five, right? So

Kelle Sparta (16:14)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (16:33)
the ones we hear about clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, clairclairclair, five. But in that podcast, I think you talked about like 20. I think it's about 20 that you talked about.

Kelle Sparta (16:45)
It might be a little bit more, actually. But yeah, it's close to that. Yeah. Yeah, there's four categories. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (16:46)
Maybe it was 25, but there were a lot way, way, way more. So can you maybe yeah,

can we chat about that one a little bit?

Kelle Sparta (16:54)
Sure. So there are four categories of spiritual gifts. these are the most common, right? Now, it's not to say that this is a comprehensive list, because there's other things out there. But I was giving sort of a general overview. But you've got the messenger, who is the person who brings messages through. So that would include things like channeling and mediumship and talking to your guides and

doing psychic readings and stuff like that. That's a messenger, Psychic meaning ESP, right? That's a messenger. And so then you've also got the traveler. So the traveler would be things like dreamwalking, astral projection, remote viewing, walking in the astral itself and doing work there. That's a traveler. And then you've got the energetic manipulator.

Sherisse Alexander (17:29)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep.

Kelle Sparta (17:48)
and so, energy manipulator. And so, what that means is that it's somebody who does like energy healing work or magic. They're a manifestation person. are doing any, they create thought forms and they create golems and you know, there's all sorts of different things that they do. Anybody who's doing curses or blessings, that would be an energy manipulator, okay? And then the final one is sensor and

all of our empaths are sensors, right? So everybody who's an empath is a sensor by nature. And that's things like I can read auras, I can read energy fields, I can do energy work with people and healing work. it's anything that involves like entrainment where you can bring yourself into energetic parity with someone else, right?

And that sort of thing. That's a sensor sort of ability, right? And so you're using your own energy field to do that work. so, you know, will you have more than one? Yeah, you could. I actually have multiple fields that I work within. Are you going to be good at everything? No, you're not.

Sherisse Alexander (18:57)
Yeah. And you don't need to be.

Kelle Sparta (18:59)
You don't need to be right.

I'm actually of the opinion that I absolutely could put my hand through a wall and pull it back out again and have it be fine, except that I'm too attached to reality to let myself do it. Right. I on a core level, I know how I just, you know, my, my, my brain is like, no, that's a solid wall. Right.

My knowingness knows it's

Sherisse Alexander (19:19)
Don't do it!

Kelle Sparta (19:20)
not a solid wall, right? But this is where we have to fight with ourselves sometimes, right? It's like, but I haven't bothered to have that battle with myself because I don't need to put my hand through a wall, right? It's not necessary, so I don't care to develop the skill. But at a core level, I know I could if I needed to, right? And so sometimes it's worth developing the skill and sometimes it's not. But the one thing you don't want to do is waste time on something that you are not.

that you don't have aptitude for and trying to develop it just because it would be cool, right? You want to spend time working on the things that you have aptitude for because that aptitude is there for a reason.

Sherisse Alexander (19:55)
And that's a great point because you know when you're so early in that journey and I've had these conversations with people where it's like and I find myself actually having this conversation with more and more people of late or it's like they'll tell me about their dreams and I'll be like okay and they'll say oh I think I dreamt this and then it happened or I dreamt or I haven't been dreaming lately and I'll say I'm pretty sure that you can turn that back on or work with that more so when you're starting to like

play in these different skill sets? Because there's so many, there's so many more that I learned from that one podcast alone. How do you begin to, and a lot of my experience sounds like probably everybody else's where it's just like you read and then you're like, okay, I'm to try that. And you try it you're like, okay. And then it just kind of takes you down this rabbit trail. So is that how people begin to develop these things? Like if they're not able to work with you, then...

you what do you suggest when trying to figure out what your aptitude actually is?

Kelle Sparta (20:55)
So the first thing I'm going to say is don't go trying to figure out your aptitude before you have protections on yourself and your space. Okay? Because I see this happen a lot and I even have, I see this happen with Reiki practitioners too because what nobody tells you when you're starting into these practices is that the more you activate your psychic abilities, the more you activate your energy field, the brighter you become on the astral.

Sherisse Alexander (21:01)
Great point. Great, great point.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (21:23)
And so

the average person is walking around the astral and they look like a shadow on the astral. So there's like just picture of sea of shadow people on the astral. And then there's these bright lights of people who are fully people on the astral. They're not just images, impressions of people in shadow form. They're actually there, right? And when you're actually there, other things that are actually there notice you.

Sherisse Alexander (21:28)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (21:49)
And if you don't know how to protect yourself, those things can come and chew on you. And if you're lucky, it'll be a low-level entity that's just going to put you into a psychic loop where you're constantly miserable and unhappy because it feeds on misery and unhappiness. That's the nicest form of something coming and chewing on you. If it's something higher level, if you have the potential to be a high-level practitioner,

Sherisse Alexander (22:05)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (22:15)
and you will make an impact on the world in a big way, some bigger things may come at you very early on in your process because they want to stop that from happening. They can see where things are going to go and they want to short circuit it. So please do not start going and doing things before you have your protections in place. There's a reason why we do this in a specific order. I mean, I'm having

Sherisse Alexander (22:26)
Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (22:42)
grown up in this stuff and not learned that stuff until later in life, I had a lot of things come and chew on me and come and attack me at times. And that's one of the reasons why people get scared and shut everything down is because they're like, this thing was standing at the foot of my bed and staring at me and felt malevolent and it was bad. Or, this thing came and inhabited a boyfriend and then it was weird and, know, mean, stuff happens, right?

Sherisse Alexander (22:52)
Yeah.

Yes. Yeah.

You

Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (23:11)
I've recently.

Sherisse Alexander (23:12)
And I don't mean to make light of it, but I've definitely heard those stories as well where people just get freaked right out. It's like, no, shut down. Forget it. Never mind. I'm gone. I'm a shadow. Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (23:21)
Exactly. Exactly.

And so, you know, I've I've actually got a program on my site that's called Discover Your Psychic Abilities. And it's I've got you can either do the bundle or you can do the individual types that we talked about this one of the one of the four individual types. But included in that is how do you protect yourself? Because and you're not allowed to do the next piece until you say you've done the pieces of protection, because I don't want you to get hurt. Right.

Sherisse Alexander (23:46)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (23:49)
Like I

literally, so I gotta tell you, I used to only allow this to be, I used to only allow people to get this when they were in the final stage of the work, when they were in that third stage of coming into sovereignty. I used to have this program there. And because so many people are waking up right now further along the path in their spiritual gifts, they're like waking up going, I'm having prophetic dreams. I'm walking.

Sherisse Alexander (23:59)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Kelle Sparta (24:16)
into other people's dreams. having, you know, I'm having something come and chew on me. I am, you I mean, just big stuff, you know. 25 years ago, when I started teaching people this stuff, people were like, I think I might like to talk to my guides or my angels, you know, it was, it was very low level stuff. Now it's like, I'm having things happen that I don't understand and I can't.

Sherisse Alexander (24:25)
Yeah.

Yep.

Yep. Yep.

Yep.

Kelle Sparta (24:42)
I

don't even have the vocabulary for it and I don't want to talk to anybody about it because they're going to think I'm crazy and I don't want to be institutionalized. And I'm like, look, I promise you, I have seen things way crazier than whatever it is you're going to tell me. So feel free. And I am not a mandatory reporter. So even if I did think you were crazy, I'm not going to tell anybody. Right? But I've never thought anybody was actually crazy. Let's just get to that. OK? So because I've, you know.

Sherisse Alexander (24:48)
Yep.

Right.

Kelle Sparta (25:10)
For most things, people are like, this is happening. Well, yeah, that's sort of normal in my world, right?

Sherisse Alexander (25:15)
And thanks for bringing up the conversation around protection because I remember saying to you that like the narrative that's sometimes out there around protection is do you protect or not protect? Because of the idea being that if you protect, it's like saying you don't trust the divine, you don't trust to be protected. And then I shared with you, I'm like, well, that idea in my head went straight out the window.

Kelle Sparta (25:38)
you

Sherisse Alexander (25:39)
So let's talk a little bit more then about, okay, great, you're having whatever, it's the discovery piece. So you've said, okay, first you gotta learn how to actually keep yourself safe on the astral plane. Now I wanna play. What is that? Or not play, I don't wanna make light of it, because it's really important to not actually make light of it. Yeah, play, we're gonna have fun with it. Okay.

Kelle Sparta (25:51)
Yes.

don't know. Yeah, you can play. There's

actually podcast episodes. So it's so funny because in the first year of this podcast, I had a co-host and he was brand new to it. His girlfriend was the one taking classes with me and he came to a Reiki class at one point and was like, you know, I love podcasting. was like, oh, I need to start a podcast. So we did it together. I started the podcast with, OK, here's how things work and here's what not to do.

Sherisse Alexander (26:18)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (26:25)
Don't do this, don't do that, don't do that. And so the whole first year was, don't do this, and don't do that. And he was like, is there anything I can do? And I was like, oh, yeah, let's do a couple of episodes on that. So there's actually two episodes on how to play in the astral is what it's actually called. And so just little hints and tips on how to get started doing energy work and magic and things like that. But things that were not too dangerous, how to work with your own energy and things like that.

Sherisse Alexander (26:25)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (26:54)
So learning how to bring your own energy up and bring it into a ball in your hands and things like that, they're not too hardcore. And so they're not going to brighten you up too much initially. So you can learn how to lucid dream. That one's generally a safe one to do. Learning how to manifest.

Manifestation is a pretty easy one because we're already naturally creative. just doing it consciously doesn't actually change how you're perceived on the astral. It's just you change from unconscious to conscious creation. That's a very easy one to do. So learning about the universal laws is a great one to work with. there's lots of ways to approach things, right? So you can.

There are so many different ways to approach the spiritual world. We are all looking at this massive diamond, and any particular practice is one facet of the diamond, right? So you can come at it from a Wicca perspective, or a shamanism perspective, or a New Age perspective, or a wellness perspective, or energy work, energy healing perspective. You know, I mean, they're all very different, right? But they're all the same thing, right?

Sherisse Alexander (27:56)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (28:15)
And so the key is just to get started getting into contact with your guides. And that's actually the most common podcast episode I have in the 400 episodes or something, I think, that we have right now is I think there are three or four episodes specifically on how to talk to your guides.

Sherisse Alexander (28:29)
Yeah.

Yep.

Kelle Sparta (28:35)
And

I do that on purpose because people are always like, I don't know how to hear my guides. you know, they'll talk to me and they'll tell me what's going on. I'm like, OK, I've just saw six ways in which your guides talk to you. And they were like, what? Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (28:48)
And let's dive into that then because it's, you know, to me, when I think about that, it's how you begin to build trust within yourself, which you and I have talked about, because the question that inevitably comes up within self is, did I really hear that? Did I really see that? Did I really feel that? And we question and we question and we question. So

And I think one of the messages I've got is we're talking to you all the time. You're not listening. Like in all, we're talking through people. We're talking on TV. We're talking through music. We're talking like we're literally all day bombarding you. The only thing I'm not doing is putting a sign in front of your face that says, yes, this is your sign, which actually I've heard happen to people. Right. So how do people recognize it?

Kelle Sparta (29:12)
Right.

Yes.

And sometimes they do.

Sometimes they do, yeah. So, yeah.

Well, so the easiest thing to do, as a, I have an engineer brain, right? So my brain categorizes and structures and whatever, but at its core, the thing that it's best suited for is pattern finding. And so I use pattern finding as a good indication of what's being trying to be said to me when I'm not hearing directly, right? And so, you you'll see,

Sherisse Alexander (29:39)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (30:02)
you know, six different ways in which the same thing is happening, right? But now you have to be able to understand the symbology of what's happening. You have to be able to understand the higher meta of what's happening. So, you know, if somebody is, their dog comes and steals their food, and then they go to the store and somebody jumps the line in front of them, and then,

Sherisse Alexander (30:05)
Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (30:25)
they try to pull out into traffic and no one will let them out in traffic. And so you're starting to see a pattern here. And the pattern is actually it's, I mean, if it was just the two and not the dog, that might be true. But with the dog, it's a different meaning. Because what that means is that everybody comes before you.

Sherisse Alexander (30:31)
Yes, something is trying to slow you down.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Okay.

Kelle Sparta (30:46)
Right? Dog gets to eat first. Person gets to go in line first. Everyone else gets to go first. Everyone comes before you.

Sherisse Alexander (30:47)
See? Yes. Okay.

You're so lucky you have an engineer brain. See, because I said you're so lucky you have an engineer brain because I would have seen that totally wrong, right? Or not quite right. Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (30:56)
See you again.

So,

but I mean, there's probably 15 other examples in your life over the course of a week that would fall into that. if you, you wanna just keep paying attention to see, sometimes you just gotta tweak the message to get there. But that sort of thing is what you're looking for when you're looking for patterns, right? And so the other thing is that if you're questioning whether or not there's something that, where you're hearing something and you're questioning whether or not it's the right,

your guides or if you're making it up. If you get surprised by the answer, you're not making it up. You can't surprise yourself. So that's always a good indication is, hey, tell me something that would surprise me. And then they will. And you'll be like, I didn't know that. It's like, there you go.

Sherisse Alexander (31:36)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yes. Right. I

think the really other obvious one is, and I love when I hear people say this, like, why does this keep happening? This happened and then this happened and this. I'm like, OK, so I'm pretty sure that somebody is trying to get you a message. I literally had it happen. It was to me and it's sometimes it's so obvious. Like, don't overlook sometimes. Right. Sometimes it's super duper simple. Like, what was it that had happened?

Kelle Sparta (32:02)
Yes. Yes.

Yeah, we call that the clue by fourth to the forehead. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (32:14)
It was like if somebody keeps talking about the same book like different people talking about the same book of an author I've never heard before I'm like, somebody wants me to read this book because you're literally the third person this week who's told me about this book So I gotta go and read this book like don't quit. That's those are messages. So pay attention

Kelle Sparta (32:32)
Absolutely.

Sherisse Alexander (32:33)
Yeah. Okay, so you've got messages and they're coming consistently and now we get to go and I guess that's really the call on you to like, okay, go down this road and really learn to trust what those messages are. Okay.

Kelle Sparta (32:49)
Yeah.

And developing a relationship with your guides and understanding. Because at some point, they're going to, not in the beginning, not by any stretch in the beginning, but at some point, they're going to do to you what they did to me, which is they're going to tell you to do something completely whack job. You're going be like, you want me to do what? So yeah, for me, it was going on walkabout. They would not let me have a place to live.

Sherisse Alexander (32:53)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (33:12)
literally could, I applied to so many different places and the person who had been happy to have me live with him was like, nope, you can't come back. And I was just like, I was literally left homeless because I could not find a place to live. Right. And so I was living on the couch of all, I had a teaching circle I was doing and I was on a different person's couch each day of the week. I had, I had a person up for each day of the week.

Sherisse Alexander (33:21)
you

Kelle Sparta (33:37)
And that went on for like five months. And then they were like, OK, time to go to this festival. And I'm like, OK. And they were like, and you're not coming back anytime soon, so you should get rid of that storage unit that you've got. And I'm like, OK. And so I called my friends, and I scheduled the giveaway, and said, here's the deal. You can take whatever you want, but you've got to help me take whatever's left to the donation center. And the day after I did that, I was at person number two's.

you know, my Tuesday person's house. And I sat down in her bathroom, opened a book, you know, one of her bathroom reading books to a random page. And it said, the apprentice shaman will give away everything he owns just before he goes on his final vision quest. And I went, my God.

Sherisse Alexander (34:17)
Is that what you told them? No, you can't make me.

Kelle Sparta (34:20)
No, no,

didn't do that then. was fully aware that this is where I was supposed to be and that I not going to be given an option. So I was like, OK, here we are, right? But yeah, that's one of those sorts of things where sometimes that will happen. But that's much later in the journey, right? I had been hardcore on my journey for multiple years by that point.

Sherisse Alexander (34:24)
Yeah.

you

Yeah,

so don't get scared that you're gonna be asked to do something that is gonna make you not wanna do anything.

Kelle Sparta (34:45)
Yeah.

Yeah. But inevitably, they will ask you to do things that make no sense to you, right? So Kathy, my friend Kathy, talks about the fact that she had a friend who was a Jesuit priest. She had just made friends with him. And she kept getting this message to call him up and tell him about this bird and what she'd seen with this bird. And she's like, this guy's going to think I'm nuts.

Sherisse Alexander (34:52)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (35:10)
What? He's a Jesuit priest. Why am I going to be giving him this message about this bird? Why would I talk to him about this?

I like this guy. I don't want him to think I'm crazy. I just made friends with him. Why are you doing this to me? And they're like, you gotta tell him. You gotta tell him. And they wouldn't let her sleep. And finally she got up and left. And of course she got a voicemail. And she's like, my God, I have to leave this on voicemail on top of it. So I'm just like, So that would be evidence that I said this, right? And she's just horrified. And she...

Sherisse Alexander (35:26)
Yeah.

You

Everybody's gonna see my

crazy

Kelle Sparta (35:44)
So she

leaves this message and she's like, I don't want to do this, but spirit won't let me sleep until I tell you this. And it turns out that his grandmother was some kind of Native American and that that bird made it was was something that was super important to him. And he needed the message and he was thoroughly open to it. And it was wonderful. And they made they can bond it over it more. And but, know.

Sherisse Alexander (36:11)
You know how many times I've heard of that happening? And I've heard of that happening like across so many walks where people are just like, as you said, you're fighting with yourself because you're like, my gosh, how am going to walk up to this complete stranger or in this case, someone I really, really like and I don't want them to judge me and do this thing I really, really don't want to do. But my spirit guides won't leave me alone until I do this thing. Right. So is there that I imagine, though, that there comes the point?

Kelle Sparta (36:12)
You didn't know that.

Yes.

Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (36:37)
And I'm asking this directly to you where it's like, if you're given a direction, you don't even question it. You just go ahead with it. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Kelle Sparta (36:43)
Yeah, yeah, there comes a point where that's the case.

Although sometimes you end up with a little bit of a spiritual eviction sometimes. So we moved from Boston to Richmond, Virginia. And we did it so that we could buy a house. I was like, OK, it's time. I want to buy a house. This is going to be a more affordable place to do that. And we also were

Sherisse Alexander (36:56)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Kelle Sparta (37:06)
done with the snow. We were so done with the snow, right? And so we moved to Richmond, and there was a whole thing around Richmond. We were drawn there. There was like, we did not intend to move south of the Mason-Dixon when we were doing it. We just did not intend to move into the south, because I was from the south, and it's a whole thing. And so we were drawn there. And the time came to make the move to

Sherisse Alexander (37:20)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (37:31)
move again and I was exhausted. I had been working too hard at my job and I was just, couldn't face packing everything up again. Because you know, I am the expert packer because I grew up as a military kid so I did all the packing because that way things didn't break, right? And I was, I just couldn't face it. I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't. So what happened? A pipe burst in our wall and flooded the apartment.

Sherisse Alexander (37:45)
Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (37:56)
and they had to have the remediation team come in and put everything in boxes so that they could take it out of the house so that they could replace the pipe and air out the rug and get rid of the mold that they found and all the stuff. And we were shoved into a hotel with no end in sight because the cleanup company was just sitting on their butts and not actually getting to it. And I was like,

Sherisse Alexander (38:07)
Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (38:23)
Okay, well, everything's in boxes. It's not packed properly, but it's all in boxes and it's going to take me a lot less time to pack it up now. So let's just buy a house. Right? Now this was November of 2019. And so, yeah, and so we bought our house and moved in just before COVID shut everything down. And we moved from Boston to Richmond.

Sherisse Alexander (38:26)
you

There's that manifestation.

Kelle Sparta (38:52)
And in 2018, and that move forced me to create the podcast, the Spirit Sherpa podcast, right? And I realize we haven't told anybody what the podcast is. We've been talking about it this whole time. but I made the podcast because I'd been doing in-person classes in Boston before that. And so the move, which I am certain that Spirit was like now, time to move now.

Sherisse Alexander (39:04)
Yeah

Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (39:17)
And that caused me to make the podcast, which caused me to have an income stream coming in so that when I made the move, I would be able to continue to have income. And then I came down to Richmond and we stayed for a half a year longer than we should have been in that apartment. And then they were like, okay, time for you to get out, get out. Here's the flood, here's the hotel, you're stuck there for a month.

Sherisse Alexander (39:22)
Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (39:42)
You will you move now? I'm like, yes, I will move now. So we get there just before everything shuts down and everybody's scrambling to go online. But I'm already online and I'm already set up. And so, you know, it's all good. Right. So I'm just I'm like, are you kidding me? This is just beyond the pale. And so, yeah, it was it was.

Sherisse Alexander (39:52)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're good.

Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (40:10)
That's sort of the way that spirit works, right? I knew it was time to move. And I was like, I'm too tired. And they went, I was like, I can't box things up. They're like, OK, we'll box them up for you. Time for you to go. Let's go.

Sherisse Alexander (40:21)
You

That's why I love that.

It's like, okay, no problem. You can't pack? Okay, we'll take care of the packing for you. I love that manifestation. I've totally talked about that with people on the podcast where, because I think sometimes people think that they can only manifest good things and the good things take so long.

Kelle Sparta (40:31)
Right?

Sherisse Alexander (40:44)
And I'm like, no, you really have to be careful with, I'm a words person, right? So I'm always like, watch your words, watch your energy, so on and so forth. And one friend was like, okay, so if my car gets stolen, then I manifested that. I'm like, absolutely. I'm like, were you talking about wanting a new car? And he's like, yes. And I said, but were you clear on how you wanted that new car? He's like, no. And I said, so when spirit comes and someone steals your car and now you have to go buy a new car.

Kelle Sparta (40:57)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (41:10)
Is that not you getting a new car? Spirit's funny like that, right? You don't like it, but Spirit is funny like that. So I wanted to talk a little bit, we are gonna talk about your podcast here, but before we jump to your podcast, what I wanted to talk about was working with people who are helping you to develop these gifts and how important it is to find the right people, right? So you're obviously one of the right people, but.

Kelle Sparta (41:12)
Right.

Sherisse Alexander (41:35)
people can really go down a path that they don't wanna go down or where they get misled with what that looks like or hit resistance or whatever the case may be. How do you find someone to work with?

Kelle Sparta (41:45)
So the first thing I'm going to say, I actually did an entire podcast episode on how to find a good spiritual teacher because this issue. But the first thing I'm going to say is trust your gut. If your gut at any time goes clunk or eh, don't work with that person. That's number one, because your gut is always going to tell you. Now, I want to be clear that your gut may tell you to work with somebody who is messed up.

Sherisse Alexander (41:55)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Kelle Sparta (42:12)
I want to be clear that that could be the case. Every person I've ever talked to who worked with somebody who was messed up, they all come out going, I learned so much from that. Did it suck? Yes, but I learned so much from it. So I want to be clear that your gut is not necessarily going to keep you from working with somebody who's messed up. It's just going to give you the lessons you need. And that's a different thing. You have to look at the world differently when you step into this process.

Sherisse Alexander (42:22)
Mm-hmm.

Yes. Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (42:40)
Now, from a head perspective, how do you notice when you're working with people? So there are two places where people come into working with others. And the first one is stage three, and the second one is stage five and beyond. So stage three teachers are people who are teaching to prove to themselves and others that they know this stuff. So they will be marked by, and I don't want to say that this is problem.

Sherisse Alexander (42:53)
Yep.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (43:08)
because it's a stage. Everybody who ends up being a high level spiritual teacher goes through this stage. I went through this stage, everybody goes through this stage. You can still learn from them, you just have to know how to take it with a grain of salt. And so this stage is marked by being afraid that they're gonna have the wrong answer. So if you ask them a question and they get flustered, they're probably a stage three teacher.

Sherisse Alexander (43:21)
Right.

Kelle Sparta (43:31)
It's also often marked by, look at me, look at me, look how spiritual I am. I'm so good, I'm great, I'm the high person and you have to follow me and da da da. There's all this hierarchy and you know, I'm so good and you know, they seek out people who will be sycophants to them, right? Who will say, you're so great, right? And if you're not one of them, you can find yourself out on the street on your butt with a whole host of things that they find wrong with you, right?

Sherisse Alexander (43:44)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (43:59)
They tend to be very vindictive when they evict people. one of the best things to ask is, know, can you give me the name of somebody who no longer works with you? And I want to talk to them. Okay, if they won't give you that name, then they're probably a stage three teacher. Okay, they may be a problematic teacher because, you know, people finish working with me periodically and they they're not mad with me when they leave. They're just they were done, right?

Sherisse Alexander (44:09)
Yeah, right way. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (44:26)
And so, you know, if you have somebody who is just done, then that's great. That's a great indicator that you have a good teacher because they, the person felt complete. They had gotten what they needed from the interaction and they closed and moved on. And that is a healthy completion process. Right. Whereas if the person's like, my God, they, they,

rolled me over the coals, they told me I wasn't ready to leave, they told me I was a terrible person for going and that I wasn't committed to my process. I mean, I can't tell you how many of those stories I've heard, right? Where the person's just like, I'm gonna just rip you up and tell you that you're not doing your work because you're leaving me, right? And so, you know. Now, sometimes people do avoid the work by trying to quit the program.

Sherisse Alexander (44:58)
Right.

Yeah, yeah.

Kelle Sparta (45:14)
But when I have that conversation with somebody, the conversation is, look, at the beginning we said this would be a resistance point. I'm going to ask you to do the next lesson in the program before you decide to quit. Because typically it's the next lesson in the program that you're avoiding. And when you finish that lesson, come back, and then we will have the conversation. And inevitably they come back and they're like, yep, it was that.

Sherisse Alexander (45:27)
Hmm.

rate.

Kelle Sparta (45:38)
I'm like, OK. You're a sovereign being. You can quit wherever you want. But I think this is a bad idea because you're in resistance because of this, which is different. That's what a healthy teacher will do. They're not going to say, you suck. They're going to say, may be in resistance. Why don't you try this thing? And then we'll see. Because maybe it's not for you. But once you do the next lesson, you'll know.

Sherisse Alexander (45:46)
Yes, absolutely.

that's part of the process. Yeah.

Right.

Right. Okay. So, oh, and I guess suppose even just asking, right? Like when you feel like when you're, you're doing it by yourself and you now feel like, okay, I don't know where to go next. Hey, guides, can you send me a teacher because I'm ready is as simple as it is. And, you know, then just wait, I suppose. And then, then like you said, you'll know when that, when that teacher arrives. Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (46:33)
Yeah, pay attention. Yeah,

it's a pay attention moment because you'll feel that. You'll feel the resonance, right? There's a resonance that happens when you talk to the right person. And they start talking about things automatically that you didn't tell them, right? That you're looking for it that happens. Or you'll just feel it, yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (46:43)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

you'll just feel it like even if that doesn't happen, but you'll just be like,

I was supposed to meet you. Like I can totally I totally know somehow that I was supposed to meet you. Okay. Okay, so there's following your gut. And this just seems like such a simple Well, I mean, I guess and thank you, I guess I should say for bringing up the point of because I definitely heard you saying in one of your other podcasts where it was like sometimes and I've said this to people where it's like sometimes you think that you're not supposed to go down this road, but not knowing knowing what you don't want is as equally important as knowing what you do want.

Kelle Sparta (46:59)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (47:20)
How do you know that if you don't experience what you don't want, right? Like a lot of what we experience is about relativity. And so when you talk about, it's like a total, I'm gonna say it, it's a total mind fuck when you are actually dealing in land of spirit because it is not logical. It does not make sense. It only makes sense after the fact.

Kelle Sparta (47:31)
Mm-hmm.

Sherisse Alexander (47:39)
which our logical brains have such a hard time with, is like, it's not linear, it's not tidy, it doesn't make sense, it doesn't really feel good a lot of the time. Like it's just like, why am I doing this? And the answer is because your soul is calling you to. That's really what the answer is. And so you eventually at some point go, okay, fine, let's do this.

Kelle Sparta (48:00)
Yeah, I love the movie

The Arrival for that. So if you watch the movie The Arrival, it's about an alien race coming to the planet, but they experience life nonlinearly.

Sherisse Alexander (48:03)
Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (48:14)
And

so when you can be with that movie, it can help you to understand what nonlinear experience is. And then that helps you to understand your guides and why they have the perspective that they have, because they live in a nonlinear state, because time, space is an illusion that we opt into when we come into these bodies. And so I love the movie, The Arrival, because if you energetically connect with that movie,

Sherisse Alexander (48:34)
Yep.

Kelle Sparta (48:40)
That stuff, I am like this close, when I watch that movie, I'm like this close to living in that state. Right? It's like there's this, whoever made that movie was brilliant because they built the energetic of that. And I'm just like, right, I can feel it. Right? I feel like it's right there. Mm-hmm.

Sherisse Alexander (48:47)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I've got to ask you, because you've said

a few times, like you've got an engineer's mind, and I would imagine that an engineer's mind makes it, and I could be wrong with this assumption, but that an engineer's mind actually makes it tricky to really dive into this and own it and surrender because engineers don't trick, traditionally work in like, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Like it doesn't make any sense before. It only makes sense after when you get to reflect on it.

How did you do that? because was it tricky? get even though with you had the support of your family and your mom and so on and so forth, like, was there still a challenge for you with that?

Kelle Sparta (49:36)
Yeah. So I tell people this. What I find is that the engineer brain is one piece of it, and then the stubborn is the other piece of it. yeah, well, I'm going to tell you now. So the stubborn is the other piece of it. So with the engineer mind, there's this need to categorize and structure and format and define, right?

Sherisse Alexander (49:45)
you never told me that.

Kelle Sparta (49:58)
And what I did, I actually made a conscious choice when I was really stepping in at 28, I made a conscious choice to not go and study because I knew that if I studied, I would stay in my head. And so instead I practiced and I felt into things and I chose things intuitively and I purposefully did not look them up and

I would have other people around me who would say, oh, well, that's appropriate. And I'd be like, OK, why? And they would say, so I remember I was building out my store. I had a retail store, a metaphysical store. And I wanted to build some protections into the store. And I was looking for ways to make things balanced energetically and whatever. And so I picked up a leaf off the ground.

with my friend who knows a lot of this stuff. And I said, want to paint these leaves onto the floor. And he said, well, that's appropriate. I'm like, why? And he said, well, because that's a red oak leaf. I said, OK, and? And he said, well, because oak is protective. And I was like, OK, didn't know that. But this is what I wanted.

Sherisse Alexander (50:58)
Mm-hmm.

All right.

Yep.

Kelle Sparta (51:10)
And

then we're building, you know, there's a center post in the store and it's ugly. And I'm like, I want to do something with this. He's like, well, we can make a tree out of it. And I was like, OK. And then, you know, we're making the tree out of chicken wire. And the chicken wire is coming together. And it's got a divot in it. And he's like, we're going to fill that in. I'm like, no, no, no. I want the divot there. I said, you know how some of those trees have that divot in them? And he said,

you mean a lightning strike? And I was like, is that what causes the divot? And he's like, yeah. He said, you want a lightning struck oak in the center of your store. And I was like, yeah, OK. And I'm like, why is that a problem? And he's like, because that's the biggest protection you could get. And I'm like, OK, yeah, that's what I want. And it was this ongoing thing. But that's how I did it is I stopped trying to learn it. And I started leaning into just intuiting it.

And that helped me to turn off the engineer brain, right?

Sherisse Alexander (52:02)
You

totally just validated something for me because I was I think I even told you I said, you know, I'm working through something right now. And I said, I just feel called to like really just feel my way through it. Don't think about it. Feel it. Don't logic it. Feel it and trust those and really using like in this last two years, I was telling somebody I'm like, I've really learned to love my body, but for totally different reasons, not because how she looks, not because of what she does, not because of how she looks.

Kelle Sparta (52:05)
good.

Sherisse Alexander (52:30)
but because of how she speaks to me. When something doesn't feel right, I'm like, that landed heavy in my heart. I think I need to ask more questions about this. this is causing anxiety and I'm not really sure why I need to ask more questions about it. And that's where the love has genuinely come from for my body and this process that I'm in right now of not thinking through things, but really feeling through things is like really working that muscle. So thank you for validating that for me.

Kelle Sparta (52:56)
Yeah, happy to do it. And then the other piece is the stubborn, right? So the stubborn is, it's one of these things. Remember I said I have too hard a hold on reality to stick my hand through a wall? That's the stubborn, right? It's like, mm, know this to be true, stubborn, right? And that part is both the greatest gift and the greatest challenge to doing your spiritual work. The most stubborn people I know are the most powerful practitioners I know.

Sherisse Alexander (53:00)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yes, yep, yep.

Okay.

Okay.

Kelle Sparta (53:23)
And

it's because when you are stubborn, you are capable of like pushing the rest of the world away and coming to a complete and utter focus in your mind. And you have a strength of will that comes from having been freaking stubborn, right? And there is that woof of, you know,

Sherisse Alexander (53:41)
Mmm, yep.

Kelle Sparta (53:44)
nothing will stand in my way come hell or high water. I call them my come hell or high water people, right? Come hell or high water, I'm gonna make this happen. I'm gonna do this thing. I'm gonna focus on this. I'm gonna blah, blah, blah. And that's the stubbornness coming out, right? And so it is a great gift in the fact that it allows you to do a lot of focus. But it's also a great hindrance because you are like, no, this is how it is.

Sherisse Alexander (53:48)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (54:10)
this is how the world works and this is, and what do you mean it's different? No, I know this to be true and I'm gonna, this is the hell I'm gonna die on, right? And so there's this back and forth that happens all the time. But if you can get over your attachment to reality, and so Cathy has a great way of saying this. She says, you don't have to believe, you just have to suspend your disbelief.

Sherisse Alexander (54:19)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (54:35)
And that is

the best way for a stubborn person to do it, is just to suspend your disbelief. Just like if you were walking into a movie, you know those are actors on the screen, but you are suspending the disbelief that this is a real story and you're allowing yourself to be moved by the story. This is the same thing in magic. As you suspend your disbelief, you know that this energy isn't tangible, but it's freaking tangible now, right? I'm having the experience that it's tangible.

Sherisse Alexander (54:58)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (55:01)
but it's not, but it is, but I'm gonna allow myself to allow myself to think that it might possibly be true. I don't have to commit to it. I just have to allow it to be possible, right? And so that's the hard part with the stubborn piece.

Sherisse Alexander (55:08)
just for a moment. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

That's one of the, a coach a while ago had said that and I loved the way that that question or even that phrase of like, what else is possible really shifts a lot because it's like, I'm not asking you to commit. You don't have to commit. You can change your mind. But the question is, what else is possible? And I find that when we ask that question, then we lower our guard a little bit as you're talking about and allow for, well, what else is possible in this situation or scenario?

Kelle Sparta (55:45)
Yeah,

my brain goes straight to inconto. What else can I do? Right? I love inconto. So I've watched it about a million times. So yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (55:46)
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Just as we wrap up here, let's talk a little bit about your podcast. So the podcast was started back in just before COVID, I think you said is when you started the podcast. Okay, so a couple of years before COVID.

Kelle Sparta (56:04)
2018 actually, because I did it before the move. Yeah, was

midsummer 2018. then it was like June 20th or June 22nd, something like that. We did it on the summer solstice.

Sherisse Alexander (56:16)
And so you started the podcast and the purpose of the podcast was...

Kelle Sparta (56:20)
So the podcast was designed, so people go through stages in their spiritual evolution. And so you start off with there's gotta be more to life than this, and then you go into the discovery phase of well, what could that possibly be? And then you end up in the spiritual world, and you go into stage two, which is proof and proselytizing, which is holy crap, this stuff really works. I must tell everyone I know and brag them out to classes with me so they don't think I'm nuts, right? And so that stage then,

gets people, they often get stuck in that stage and they're going, ooh, crystals, ooh, tarot cards, ooh, angels, ooh, blah, blah, right? And they end up going down these rabbit holes over and over and over again and they get lost for two to five years. And so the podcast was designed to take that stage and compress it into 15 to 20 episodes and be like, okay, because every time it's like, okay, but remember, you came here because you weren't happy.

Yeah, this is cool. But remember, you came here because you weren't happy. And so just to remind them to not get lost in the rabbit holes. And that was part one, was to shorten the distance through that stage. And part two was to get them ready to work with me, because I work with people in stage three and above. And so you know.

Sherisse Alexander (57:15)
Yeah, it brings you back to focus. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (57:30)
It's giving them all the education they need to have a solid foundation of orientation. So what I'm doing in the podcast is I'm orienting people to the spiritual world so that they can understand it. I started it at the beginning. said it was the beginner's guide to energy, magic and the spirit world.

And then my friends started coming in and calling me and saying, my God, I love your podcast. Now my friends were like 15, 20 years into their practices. I'm like, why do you love my podcast? It's a beginner's podcast. Why are you even listening to this podcast? You are so bad. And they're like, no, no, no. You're taking every two hour class I've ever taken in my entire life and stitching it together into a single worldview. And I'm like, that's how it works in my head. But I had no idea I was doing that.

Sherisse Alexander (57:58)
Yes.

Kelle Sparta (58:11)
And so that's when I changed the tagline to your guide to energy magic in the spirit world, because I realized that it was for a broader audience than what I had originally thought. so, you know, that's part of what I'm doing as well as stitching everything together so that people can see the bigger picture. And so, you know, this is this is what it's about. And I literally I get people calling me and emailing me and saying, you're my shaman. And I've never met them. And they're like, I've been following you for seven years.

Sherisse Alexander (58:27)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (58:40)
and I'm ready to finally talk to you. And I'm like, OK, let's go. Yeah. So speaking of things that Spirit has you do, there's a couple of episodes where Spirit just came in and took over my mouth and said, and if you're binging right now, then it's time for you to have a discovery call. Because clearly, you're in alignment and you're ready. So let's do it. Right? And I didn't consciously think to do that on those times. Right?

Sherisse Alexander (58:40)
well.

Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (59:06)
talked through me and people called me and were like, I felt like you were talking to me directly. I'm signing up for a discovery call. I'm like, okay, great.

Sherisse Alexander (59:11)
You

Kelle Sparta (59:14)
because spirits just talk to them, right? So it's always entertaining.

Sherisse Alexander (59:16)
Yes.

And what a good reminder, because I know I can't remember where I heard it was definitely your content. But talking about the value even in going over the stuff that's beginner in terms of like, and it's like when you watch a movie and you like I'm somebody who will rewatch movies all the time. Because it's like you get especially really, I don't want to say like, I'm going to use Lord of the Rings as an example, you could watch that movie.

Kelle Sparta (59:35)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (59:43)
over and over and over and over again and still get something different from it every single time that you watch it. And that was something that you talk about in terms of like being a beginner, because there might be something that you missed or something that you forgot or a different perspective or something just lands a little different. So even if it is stuff that you think that you know, and I tend to approach things more from I'm always a beginner, no matter how much I think I know I am

Kelle Sparta (59:50)
Yes.

Sherisse Alexander (1:00:11)
always, that I am not a pro in, again, I'm gonna watch verbiage here. I think there's always something to learn in every inter, in fact, there was a message today, there is something to learn or teach in every single interaction. It was literally a message today. So thank you for reminding that, you know, there's always something to learn in every single experience, even if you've been doing it for five minutes, or if you've been doing it for 50 years.

Kelle Sparta (1:00:35)
Yeah. Well, and that's because our journeys are a spiral, right? And our issues are spokes on the spiral. And so when your journey is a spiral, you're constantly coming back and doing the same work at a deeper level, right? And so you're going to get a different experience of it. And you may have had the experience before, but you, it's so funny because I do energy readings, right?

Sherisse Alexander (1:00:39)
Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (1:01:01)
And people will get the energy reading. And it's like 45 minutes to an hour of me just talking at you. You've had one of those, so you know. And it's like 45 minutes to an hour of just me talking at you about all the stuff. And people will listen to the recordings again. And they'll listen eight, nine times. And then they'll call me and say, I just listened for the 10th time. And I heard something that was not here before. Are you editing these things? And I'm like, no, I'm not editing them.

Sherisse Alexander (1:01:01)
Yep.

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah, totally.

Kelle Sparta (1:01:29)
Right?

But you weren't ready to hear it. Your brain turned off when it was said because your brain wasn't ready to receive it. And so on the eighth or ninth or tenth run, you're going to hear it now. And that's a whole new experience because your brain has finally released the fear factor that was holding it in place. Because oftentimes those things are the things that if you hear them, you will change.

Sherisse Alexander (1:01:41)
Yeah.

Kelle Sparta (1:01:54)
And if you're not willing to change, then your brain just turns off or it just goes, won't won't won't won't won't won't. Right. You become a Charlie Brown adult and you know, they you just can't parse what's being said.

Sherisse Alexander (1:01:59)
Mm-hmm.

And that's another really great reminder, because I know for sure in conversations that I've had with people, like, I thought I dealt with this. And I'm like, yeah, there's layers. You got to think of yourself as an onion, right? Like you're going to, yes, you dealt with a layer, but now it's coming around again, because we need to, because if you, and I think you talk about this, like if you just go straight to the core, and I think sometimes when we're talking about

Kelle Sparta (1:02:17)
Yeah, I can't tell you. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (1:02:31)
life and purpose and what I'm supposed to do. Like the way that I love to talk about it is like, if you really saw the entire journey and what it looked like, you wouldn't do it. You would quit. You would talk yourself out of it. You would get scared. You would try to manipulate the situation. Like you just, would, and I'm saying this very directly to the audience. Think about it. If you knew how complicated something was going to do, or if

it was going to make you uncomfortable. You would quit before you even started. And that's not really what the journey is about. Spirit's trying to get you to get in the journey. if we, and our minds really can't conceptualize it. Like that's really the truth. Generally speaking, we can't really conceptualize some of these very large and abstract concepts that are not linear at all. Even for the, well, definitely not linear.

Kelle Sparta (1:03:16)
Yeah, totally. And here's the thing. Anytime you are stepping into a spiritual process, you're stepping into an initiatory process. An initiation, by definition, is you're walking through a doorway that you cannot see what's on the other side, and once you have walked through it, there is no going back. That is the definition of initiation. And so you literally can't see what's on the other side. I remember

Sherisse Alexander (1:03:25)
Mm-hmm.

You

Kelle Sparta (1:03:44)
When I was in my late 20s and I was working with people, I was absolutely committed to this idea that they had to have conscious buy-in to the process, that they had to be fully aligned with it and they had to know what was coming and absolutely buy-in, right? And that was the biggest load of crap ever because nobody knows what's on the other side of that doorway.

Right? You can't know. That is the definition of it. To have this conscious buy-in of something that you cannot possibly know what's on the other side is not doable. Right? And so it was me trying to make sure everybody felt like they were in control. But this is, by definition, a not controlled process. Right? And I hadn't yet accepted that for myself. I was still in stage three. Right? was still learning for myself.

Sherisse Alexander (1:04:18)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Such a fallacy.

Yep. Yep.

Kelle Sparta (1:04:35)
And but I was I was really trying to get it there. And, now I'm like, I stand at the threshold of initiation and I initiate powerful people into more power and more sovereignty in their life. And that is a process of standing as the guardian of the gate and opening the door and saying, do you want to cross over? You know, if you don't want to cross, I'm not going to push you because this is you have to choose it. Right.

Sherisse Alexander (1:04:47)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelle Sparta (1:05:01)
And I will hold the door open for a while and then I will close it because you will either walk or you won't, right? Yeah, that's the conscious buy-in. It's the choice. That's right. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (1:05:04)
That is the conscious buy-in. That is the conscious buy-in though, right? It's choosing to walk in, walk through the door. Yeah, absolutely.

Just before I have two questions left. How many stages are there?

Kelle Sparta (1:05:16)
Yes.

Right now I have codified.

I'd have to sit and look. I've got 11 are in my book. I think if I sat down to think about it, I probably personally experienced 12 and 13 in there too. So, but yeah, there are 11 stages and then they cycle for a while. So you go to stage six and then from stage six through 11, it goes and it cycles back and it goes and it cycles back and it goes. And so you go into a circle on that for a while until you're ready to step out the other side.

because it iterates. It's an iterative process of coming to an awareness of who you are, right? Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (1:05:48)
Yeah.

Right.

And so, you know, sometimes when people are so really there's constant, well, this is life realistically speaking, constant death and rebirth and through this process, because that's why you said the spiral, right? Because you're okay, great, there's one layer and then two layers and so on and so forth. Okay. Final question.

Kelle Sparta (1:06:13)
Mm-hmm.

Sherisse Alexander (1:06:14)
One juicy nugget, like what's call to action today to folks? Like where do they do? I mean, you said a lot. So I would say maybe first thing is please like, listen, share this particular podcast, but then go see Kelle and her podcast, because there's so much good information. There's so much.

Kelle Sparta (1:06:34)
Yeah. Well, and I would also say, if you're ready at a deep level, come and talk. Set up a discovery call and talk to me about coming in and doing an apprenticeship program with me, where I work with you one-on-one and mentor you through the process. Because when you're in a deep state of evolution, then it's great to have online classes and to do stuff like that. But there is nothing that can be beating

having one-on-one mentorship that walks you through specifically what you're going through because when you're at that crucial stage of, holy shit, what do I do? That is the moment where having the apprenticeship is possible and most useful. yeah, come and schedule a discovery call to do that at kellysparra.com.

Sherisse Alexander (1:07:20)
Thank you. And I think that I would probably further affirm that there's something very comforting about knowing that you are supported and in a safe space while you go through what can be a very, I'm gonna use the word scary, but somehow not scary. Because when I called you that day, I was like, I think something's happening.

Kelle Sparta (1:07:43)
Right.

Sherisse Alexander (1:07:44)
But I wasn't scared. was just like, I think something just didn't quite go according to plan. And there's something and that's like having a safe playground, so to speak, right? Because you're, you're, you're practicing, you're doing your thing, and you're flexing your muscles or working out your muscles. I don't want to say flexing, but you know, working out. And there's something to be said about having someone that you have a confidence in.

they can just say, OK, yeah, I see what you did. You need to do ABC and XYZ and away we go kind of thing. So I want to close this. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead.

Kelle Sparta (1:08:15)
Yeah. Well,

and one of the benefits of coming and working with me is the very first thing that happens when you sign up with any program with me is that for the length of that program, you've got a little sign in your front yard that says mess with this person at your own peril because they were under my protection. And so if you've got things messing with you, then that's a fast path to having some protection and learning how to protect yourself and all of it. Yeah.

Sherisse Alexander (1:08:41)
Yeah.

And again, the protection, I remember once I had a reader come over to my house and so she was doing pretty well what you're doing, right? She was talking to my kids about it. And I don't know what we opened up, but at that point in time, one of my kids was having fierce night tremors. And it was just like, and so she'd come over one day, she's like, yeah, there's a portal. Not so far from here.

Kelle Sparta (1:09:06)
Mm-hmm.

Sherisse Alexander (1:09:08)
And, you know, you're trying to do everything you can, but like you said, it's like you're dealing in something unseen. So it's very, very different. And, you know, we were doing all the things to try and like, you know, buffer him. And I think at some point he was just like, you know, I just need to shut this down because this is not something that I want to deal with at this point in my life. I was just like, no problem, baby. Like, it's okay. You don't have to. I was just wanted you to be aware. I just want to close this by saying thank you.

Kelle Sparta (1:09:13)
Right.

Right.

Sherisse Alexander (1:09:33)
Thank you, thank you. I have nothing but gratitude for this experience with you. It has been, I think I told you on the very first call, I'm like, somebody told me I would meet you. And I was like, this is her. I know this is her. So it's been fantastic and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. And I said that to you before, but I'm saying it to you again today that I am so glad that I met you.

absolutely was the right timing and I am excited about the rest of the experience and the journey with you. And so thank you for that. And as well, thank you for joining me on today's episode.

Kelle Sparta (1:10:08)
My pleasure, I'm thrilled to be working with you in the work that we're doing together and I had a great time on the podcast, so thank you.

Sherisse Alexander (1:10:16)
Yes. And to the audience today, if you enjoy today's episode, please check out the show notes and look up Kelle on her socials at her website. She's got a ton of information for wherever you are in your journey. Do not be scared. You do not need to be scared. And I think the best part about a lot of your content is it's very digestible. It's not, you can do two hours of content. You can.

Kelle Sparta (1:10:42)
No, sure.

Sherisse Alexander (1:10:43)
but the pieces are so digestible that you can listen, you can reflect, you can think, can play with it a little bit. Do the theory piece and then there's the practice piece and then there's the observed piece, right? If you're talking about it from a very scientific side of things, but it's very, very digestible. please follow her, like her, whatever you need to do. But if you are in a state where you are not sure where to go next, Kelle Sparta is exactly where you should go.

Until next time, thank you so much for joining and take care of yourselves.